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Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

#91

Did you try http://www.google.com/linux ? Although I alternate search engines regularly, I do think the way Google indexes for specialized searches is pretty smart.

Is there a list somewhere of all the specialized searches?

http://www.google.com/options/specialsearches.html

Only 5 topics, unfortunately.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

#92

Yes, and this is why I started Duck Duck Go: http://duckduckgo.com/ . Thanks for posting specific cases--they help me immensely. Anyone else have more?

I hate searching google for technical jargon (and its worse the more technical the jargon is). Usually google just gives you a bunch of academic papers (in case you are wondering academic papers do not actually explain anything, they just use a bunch of jargon in a plausible way). Gee thanks. If you want I will think up an example.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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post #2

Yep. I never used to use search operators unless I was looking for something really specific. Nowadays I get completely irrelevant results and I am forced to quote strings and explicitly specify term precedence, conditionals and other regexy stuff. Last night I was searching for the syntax of DEFTYPE when used with various types (i.e. MEMBER, SATISFIES, OR, etc.) and the #1 his for "deftype member" was the personal M…

Just out of interest, do you find lispdoc.com useful generally for this kind of thing?

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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post #54

Hate to disagree with everyone here but I haven't noticed much of a change. For me, Google is still the best search out there by a long shot. My behavior has changed slightly though. Increasingly I'm using twitter, reddit, delicious, & hacker news to search and browse for content. Google site search for Hacker news has also come in handy.

I agree with your second thought. delicious' general search and multi-tag search (http://delicious.com/tag/term1+term2+term3) is so much more useful because it's essentially edited by humans.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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post #35

Back to the Altavista days of +search +must +include +plus +signs +"and quotation marks" Seriously, the problem is advanced users get unexpected results with the query expansion and refinement layers they've added on. While dropping obscure words is helpful when grandpa has misformed queries, it's maddening for a technical user looking for a very specific, infrequent keyword. However for grandpa, it's probably a bett…

More generally, I think that we don't have a good mental model of how Google is searching. It used to be straightforward, almost like Git, which won't make any "clever" merges. Google, as a tool, is on the decline because it's not comprehensible (even to us advanced users!).

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

#96
Originally, a Google search for some Linux-related terminology would lead to an LKML post or white paper where that technology was explained. Now, most of my searches lead to dozens of user-oriented self-help forums where the questions are never answered. Finding information on actual development now requires knowing which sites/lists to search (like LKML, alsa-devel, kernel subsystem maintainer sites, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

#97

Yes, and this is why I started Duck Duck Go: http://duckduckgo.com/ . Thanks for posting specific cases--they help me immensely. Anyone else have more?

One feature I use a lot from google is the cache, just to avoid websense at work.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

#98
post #3

Yes. One thing I noticed is that searches no longer require that all words in the query be present in the search results. Adding a + before a word is now required to ensure that it's present in results. That frequently results in me having to do 2-3 searches to find something that could previously be found with one.

Another annoying snag is that if you search for "A B", google will also search for "AB" (eliminating the space). This affects a lot of searches with acronyms and technical terms. For example, if you're looking for info on MIT's RAs, the top search results for "ra mit" or "mit ra" are related to "ramit" or "mitra".

This seems to be an optimization for their average user, but is really inconvenient for people searching for system errors, mathematical/cs theory terms, or other queries where acronyms are common.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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post #76

It's eye-opening to try "Blind Search", which submits your query to Google, Yahoo!, and Bing simultaneously, and displays to you the three sets of results without (at first) identifying which is which: http://blindsearch.fejus.com/ I was amazed to discover that I was consistently choosing the blind results from Yahoo! as best for my own searches.

First two attempts I picked Yahoo and Bing, heh.

Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?

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post #84
post #20

I've used google since it was google.stanford.edu, and it's clear to me the results have suffered. My feeling is that two of the problems are SEO and feedback effects of google's own popularity. SEO: When you cut through all the BS, the entire goal here is to make a less good match come first. And it works (sorta). Just consider crap sites like Experts Exchange that we've only learned about because they pollute many…

A lot of non-technical people lately seem to type whole questions and sentences in the search box. Syntax analysis is hard for them, it seems. But Google now encourages this and levels everything down.

Somewhat perversely, I've specifically tested that syntax on a few occasions, and have had surprisingly good results as compared with a classic search.
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