Yep. I never used to use search operators unless I was looking for something really specific. Nowadays I get completely irrelevant results and I am forced to quote strings and explicitly specify term precedence, conditionals and other regexy stuff. Last night I was searching for the syntax of DEFTYPE when used with various types (i.e. MEMBER, SATISFIES, OR, etc.) and the #1 his for "deftype member" was the personal M…
Can't agree more. Let's hope in the future we can choose to search for tech-specific results.
Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
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Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#82Yes. One thing I noticed is that searches no longer require that all words in the query be present in the search results. Adding a + before a word is now required to ensure that it's present in results. That frequently results in me having to do 2-3 searches to find something that could previously be found with one.
I have noticed this too and find it very irritating. I expect ALL words to be present. Why did they change this?
User testing must have somehow played a role, I hate to blame non-technical users but... still I can't believe anyone gets better results when the keywords are optional.
The odd thing is I remember switching from AltaVista to google, before google you always had to discount the first bunch of results, but google was just so amazingly accurate. And yet now I find myself skipping the top results in a google search.
I remember when google bombing first started, it didn't bother me much, but then google tried to counter it and I could swear searches got a bit worse. And recently they've gotten even worse.
It's a shame this seems to be destiny of all truly great things.
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
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#84I've used google since it was google.stanford.edu, and it's clear to me the results have suffered. My feeling is that two of the problems are SEO and feedback effects of google's own popularity. SEO: When you cut through all the BS, the entire goal here is to make a less good match come first. And it works (sorta). Just consider crap sites like Experts Exchange that we've only learned about because they pollute many…
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#85'Linux async io' -> select 'show options' and then 1-year view on the LHS.
Sadly for the concurrent hashmap I got to 'concurrent hashmap "c" -java', then saw this very discussion page at #3 and I'm in an infinite loop until further notice.
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#86No opinion overall, but here are a couple tips: 'Linux async io' -> select 'show options' and then 1-year view on the LHS. Sadly for the concurrent hashmap I got to 'concurrent hashmap "c" -java', then saw this very discussion page at #3 and I'm in an infinite loop until further notice.
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#87Before google got so effective people put more work into maintaining collections of links to other sites; hand-curated omnibus directories like yahoo and dmoz or narrower fields.
As search became better this was increasingly a poor use of time; you could, after all, just go and google stuff to find it again, so why bother maintaining a hand-curated set of favorite links.
A consequence of this is that link-actions-taken-for-reasons-consistent-with-pagerank's-assumptions dropped, and reducing the signal-to-noise ratio insofar as pagerank is concerned; similarly link-actions-taken-for-reasons-contrary-to-pagerank's-assumptions increased (SEO), further dropping the signal-noise ratio.
Even extremely robust SEO-detection techniques can only cut away the increase in noise; now that people are less incentivized to publicly post high-quality hand-curated link collections there's less for the algorithm to go on.
This is why there's talk of twitter and fb vis-a-vis search; twitter and fb are where the info the search engines need currently lives.
(!) I know they use additional techniques these days but whatever they're throwing into the mix doesn't seem to be counteracting the overall utility decay.
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#88I find myself alternating between google and bing these days, for some technical searches sometimes bing works better (especially - and unsurprisingly - for Microsoft-related technologies).
Some competition from bing may lead us to a better google (just like competition from apple made microsoft's new OS better).
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#89I guess a single keyword search is not going to get anything sensible out. The answer lies in being able to interact with such systems and get what you want. Solving the search/retrieval with a single query is a very hard problem as it depends on the context of the user. Try searching for the word "Execute". Does it show pictures of a person being hung or a how-to for the first hello world program in a terminal?
Re: Ask HN: do you feel Google search result quality has gone down?
#90There was a comment on LessWrong where a poster suggested using Yahoo over Google for non-quoted search. I tried it myself (I need to find an article based on several words mentioned in it) -- and was pleasantly surprised. Yahoo seems to be doing much better job than Google for non-quoted search requests.