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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by hagan_das »

freyr wrote: post #158
JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

> and consider myself at least average looking There's your problem. Many men on various online forums have compared their response rates when using a photo of an average looking man (or even above average looking man) and when using a photo of a very attractive man. The average man gets almost no matches, and the attractive man gets nearly all matches -- and, apparently, a surprising number of invitations for casual…

>I suspect this plays out in the dating scene as well (e.g., a small percentage of men sleep with a disproportionately large percentage of women)

I've seen studies that say 20% of men get the vast majority of women and sex.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by JimboOmega »

duderific wrote: post #168
JimboOmega wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of. You need attractive users who will interact with you, not just that you get to swipe. Honestly, taking guys swiping out of the equation until women have swiped them would already massively improve the experience for most users. I've run into plenty of guys complaining that in a week and hundreds of swipes, they get none in return; and women complaining that the app must be broken because everyone they swipe…

> Honestly, taking guys swiping out of the equation until women have swiped them would already massively improve the experience for most users. My understanding is that the app Coffee Meets Bagel does exactly this.

In a strange coincidence I downloaded that very app about 3 hours ago. But their site was down or not accepting signups or something, so I left it aside.

Anyway, from what I can tell, it's selling point is that it gives you one match a day... as opposed to the endless waves of matches of OkCupid or Tinder.

Whether or not that's actually a better experience, I don't know, but I do know a few female friends who like it. So that's enough to get me interested.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by imron »

Padding wrote: post #34
karmacondon wrote: post #25

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As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

> Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again

Instead you'll hear "sorry, but it's the algorithm. I understand you need your paycheck, but there's nothing I can do and the programmer won't be available until the middle the of next week".

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by boyaka »

hagan_das wrote: post #171
freyr wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and consider myself at least average looking There's your problem. Many men on various online forums have compared their response rates when using a photo of an average looking man (or even above average looking man) and when using a photo of a very attractive man. The average man gets almost no matches, and the attractive man gets nearly all matches -- and, apparently, a surprising number of invitations for casual…

>I suspect this plays out in the dating scene as well (e.g., a small percentage of men sleep with a disproportionately large percentage of women) I've seen studies that say 20% of men get the vast majority of women and sex.

Not a study, but it has certainly been mentioned before. Here's a relevant discussion (and YC alternative to Tinder) where the same topic is discussed (ctrl-F tinder).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8454405

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by remarkEon »

tibbon wrote: post #119
donkeyd wrote: post #44

Tinder should start using Eigenfaces to give people an estimate of the chance of finding a match when they sign up. You know, to manage expectations. "With your face and your standards you have a 1% chance to find a match. Please lower your standards or improve your face."

Since Tinder imports images from Facebook, this could be used to suggest the 'best' photos from their Facebook. In my brief looking over Tinder, it seems that images of people in groups, their dogs or their cars are probably ineffective and would score poorly here. One of the biggest easy questions is, "is this a face?"

Yeah the game theory of Tinder is pretty interesting. In my single days, any group shots were always left swipes. There was a pretty good piece on Medium[1] a while ago about how simple you can think about it. tldr is that it costs you nothing to swipe right, every time.

[1] https://medium.com/@errkk/dont-hate-the-game-theory-hate-the...

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by glial »

rgj wrote: post #170
JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

Being average looking should land you the most responses: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/page/14/

OKCupid shows profiles of people who are roughly as attractive as you are. This means average-looking women don't even have the option of messaging great-looking guys, and are presumably more willing to message average-looking guys. I don't know whether Tender does this.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by acannon828 »

Just to make sure I'm understanding how this works:

    1. Faces are simply averaged for "Yes" and "No" training swipes.
    2. Each one of these two "average" faces are mapped to an Eigen space (where the Eigen vectors are computed from the training sets? or were they preprocessed with some other dataset?).
    3. For every new face, the bot maps that face to the same Eigen space and makes a Yes/No decision based on whichever model vector it's closest to (either the "Yes" vector or the "No" vector).
...right?

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by acannon828 »

acannon828 wrote: post #177

Just to make sure I'm understanding how this works: 1. Faces are simply averaged for "Yes" and "No" training swipes. 2. Each one of these two "average" faces are mapped to an Eigen space (where the Eigen vectors are computed from the training sets? or were they preprocessed with some other dataset?). 3. For every new face, the bot maps that face to the same Eigen space and makes a Yes/No decision based on whichever m…

If that's the case (I think it is but correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't it make more sense to compute the Eigen-representation of each training face first, then average those Eigen face representations as opposed to the cropped faces themselves?

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by withdavidli »

mahyarm wrote: post #145
estefan wrote: post #79

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> The standard perception is that women are scarce and men are dime-a-dozen. > As long as you fall within that schema and pursue your partners in a way that confirms their social expectations, you're fine. I've never read such nonsense. This is straight out of the loser's playbook. People who think like this don't know their own value. I know women who complain about not being able to find any proper men, so a decent…

A lot of readers here come from the SF Bay Area, where single men who have their life together are being imported by the boat full, while single women are not. It creates a supply/demand imbalance and it does make dating more work here. Other places might not have that problem. Dating was definitely more work in SF for me than my hometown.

I keep hearing the stats are switched in NYC and even hear from women (and dating articles) that the roles are switched more often because there are less guys than women.

Don't like the comment about discerning and knowing that their "usual tricks won't work". Don't be with those women, don't be with those those men. If you're looking for an actual partner instead of having a one nighter I would advise not being with people that play these games. If they're playing tricks with this aspect of their life, how are they going to act in more critical situations?

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by johnlinvc »

lmm wrote: post #161
Padding wrote: post #34

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> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

My experience with algorithmization so far is just the opposite. 20 years ago the bank manager would tell you "no, I'm not willing to offer you that mortgage because the house is overpriced / I called your manager and they said you were flaky / your hair was scruffy when you came in"; of course they could lie or refuse to give you a reason, but most of the time you got some explanation. Nowadays you just get "compute…

Looks like the bank need a random excuse generating algorithm.
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