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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by lmm »

Padding wrote: post #34
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

My experience with algorithmization so far is just the opposite. 20 years ago the bank manager would tell you "no, I'm not willing to offer you that mortgage because the house is overpriced / I called your manager and they said you were flaky / your hair was scruffy when you came in"; of course they could lie or refuse to give you a reason, but most of the time you got some explanation. Nowadays you just get "computer says no".

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by lmm »

StavrosK wrote: post #31
kehrlann wrote: post #16

I am not too creeped out by the concept of this bot (actually, I find the whole idea amusing). I can understand why people would find it creepy, but I feel that the creepiness comes from Tinder rather than the bot ... It's only possible because of Tinder and the way it makes users interact with each other. Not a Tinder user myself, so I guess I'm biased in this case.

I can't understand why people would find it creepy. There's already a filter built into Tinder (show me women/men), why is an extra filter suddenly creepy? If a bot can know what I find unattractive and filter that out, why not?

Just like IRL: only looking at women or only looking at men isn't creepy. But only looking at people with particular physical characteristics (aside from the small set that are acceptable to judge on) is creepy.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by zend3v »

freyr wrote: post #158
JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

> and consider myself at least average looking There's your problem. Many men on various online forums have compared their response rates when using a photo of an average looking man (or even above average looking man) and when using a photo of a very attractive man. The average man gets almost no matches, and the attractive man gets nearly all matches -- and, apparently, a surprising number of invitations for casual…

Speaking from the point of view of an average guy, my immediate thought is: Life is a cruel mistress.

I tried Tinder when I moved to a new city and didn't know anyone and I failed dismally. I have since given up on it and deleted it and to be frank, I am happier now I don't concern myself with trying to hook up or meet females. Harsh but true.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by joesmo »

lucaspiller wrote: post #93
saiya-jin wrote: post #56

How many of you folks have found a long lasting, good quality date via Tinder? Serious question, no pun intended. For me, albeit using it for only cca 6 months, it was useless. Same for people around me. Yes, I got tons of likes, many conversations, a few dates that could be more if wanted, but women available via this were mostly... uninteresting. I am a bit picky (I am quite sporty type, and silicone beauties whose…

I met my fiancé in a bar at a meetup for a dating network in 2011 while I was living in London - ironically we weren't members, but had both been dragged along by friends. Before that I had extensively tried OkCupid, I went on a fair few dates, but to be honest most of the people I met were weirdos... I also tried some of the early location based apps, but even in central London people were few and far between. The p…

"Rather than chatting for weeks before meeting someone, you can be a lot more spontaneous by just matching then meeting up for a date."

I think you hit the nail on the head here. This is exactly why Tinder is so popular, IMO. (Almost) No one wants to waste time chatting online. And everyone (no almost here) considers beauty first and foremost when looking for a mate. It's just truly a shame that this is the only reputation the app has and it seems to be this way because people associate it with "shallowness" while they stand on a high ground doing exactly what everyone else is doing: looking at pictures and judging them on beauty. Regardless of the site (or off-site IRL), that's what happens. Let's face it, no one is spending time on okcupid or match deeply analyzing other profiles' text. The only people it matters to are the people creating the profile who think it actually matters (it doesn't). I would bet money that if the text part of profiles on a traditional dating site were put a mere extra click away, while the photos stayed on the main page, the visit rate would be abysmal.

The genius of Tinder has been to recognize this and remove the unnecessary garbage content. Really, in dating, before you've met anyone, all text is garbage, including the paltry meager pleasantries exchanged on the way to actually setting up a real date in person. The actual in person date is the only thing that matters and Tinder has realized that and done away with the rest. If it wasn't for the perception that it's only about hooking up, I'd say this is really the perfect dating app.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by path411 »

lmm wrote: post #162
StavrosK wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't understand why people would find it creepy. There's already a filter built into Tinder (show me women/men), why is an extra filter suddenly creepy? If a bot can know what I find unattractive and filter that out, why not?

Just like IRL: only looking at women or only looking at men isn't creepy. But only looking at people with particular physical characteristics (aside from the small set that are acceptable to judge on) is creepy.

I think this is a pretty natural progression of applying machine learning to real life.

I find that people will say things like "I prefer people with blue eyes", but what they are really saying is that the people they find attractive often have blue eyes.

Humans don't seem to be able to actually determine the characteristics of a person's looks that makes them attractive, and rather resort to pattern recognition bias. So instead a computer is able to determine what you are actually attracted to as it doesn't have the same bias and is able to consciously distinguish more data from a person's face than the extremely basic set a human can.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by fudged71 »

JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

You should make a bot that uses a genetic algorithm to optimize your profile photo to get higher match rates.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by JDiculous »

freyr wrote: post #158
JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

> and consider myself at least average looking There's your problem. Many men on various online forums have compared their response rates when using a photo of an average looking man (or even above average looking man) and when using a photo of a very attractive man. The average man gets almost no matches, and the attractive man gets nearly all matches -- and, apparently, a surprising number of invitations for casual…

Yeah, maybe it's just the inevitable endpoint of online dating for any man who's merely average-looking (yet has high standards).

Looks like us average-looking men have to go back to the old-school way of meeting women.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by duderific »

JimboOmega wrote: post #154
brosky117 wrote: post #149

Reminds me of anaface.com (where they tell you how attractive you are based off of symmetry). I'm married so this is just plain entertainment for me but I think there are some genuine use cases for this on the Tinder side of things. Think about it. If Tinder knew your preferences and was able to analyze the faces of all the users nearest to you, it could make your feed so much more relevant. In the end, Tinder's succ…

Kind of. You need attractive users who will interact with you, not just that you get to swipe. Honestly, taking guys swiping out of the equation until women have swiped them would already massively improve the experience for most users. I've run into plenty of guys complaining that in a week and hundreds of swipes, they get none in return; and women complaining that the app must be broken because everyone they swipe…

> Honestly, taking guys swiping out of the equation until women have swiped them would already massively improve the experience for most users.

My understanding is that the app Coffee Meets Bagel does exactly this.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by hagan_das »

ac166 wrote: post #8

I can't quite articulate why fully, but to me this article sums up everything that's wrong with programmers and the community in general (of which I consider myself a part). :(

Care to elaborate? I don't see anything wrong with this and can't imagine how it "sums up everything that's wrong with programmers and the community in general".

It's a very clever and interesting piece of automation.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by rgj »

JDiculous wrote: post #151

Wait, so guys are still getting matches on there? Am I the only one who doesn't get matches anymore? A couple years ago I'd get like 5-10 matches/day using the app for like 10-15 mins/day tops. Every time I'd log in, the first 5-10 or so profiles would be from people who swiped right on me. Now I seriously never get matches anymore. I'd estimate that it'd take me 30 minutes of swiping right on every single profile to…

Being average looking should land you the most responses: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/page/14/
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