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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by Ixiaus »

istorical wrote: post #127
Ixiaus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a sexist statement because personal taste is implied rather than stated, the question is totally valid but should be phrased in a socially friendlier way. This is the only way for men to overcome the wave of sexism finger-pointing. "What about other body parts I find attractive?" isn't sexist. Or even, "I like boobs, what about those?" also isn't sexist (since it's explicitly conveying personal taste). As it is,…

You bring the interesting question into the mix: Would we rather have an environment which attempts to make everyone comfortable, safe, and - unoffended and untriggered? Or would we rather have an environment which attempts to give everyone the right to say what they wish, in the way they wish, without having to self-censor, and - quite possibly end up saying things that are hurtful or uncomfortable to others? This q…

I'm not supporting the idea that we should police what people are saying or limit their freedom, I don't condone that.

However I do think there's a place for civil discussion and the idea that we're a social species attempting to all understand each-other, what each-other experience in life, and how we can all interact in a way that's collaborative is extremely important to our collective improvement, I think.

So sure, say whatever you want to say, that's your own right but it will inevitably cut you off or out of the collaborative environment some people desire to be a part of and work hard to create, that is if what you say isn't shaped in such a way to honor and respect other people's own individual experiences and preferences.

My words were intended to be a reminder and not to be taken as policing (even if I wanted to, I can't!)

I firmly believe personal desires and preferences can be freely expressed in a manner that honors the person holding them and also honors the possibly different preferences and desires of other people.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by Ixiaus »

mycroft-holmes wrote: post #95
Ixiaus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a sexist statement because personal taste is implied rather than stated, the question is totally valid but should be phrased in a socially friendlier way. This is the only way for men to overcome the wave of sexism finger-pointing. "What about other body parts I find attractive?" isn't sexist. Or even, "I like boobs, what about those?" also isn't sexist (since it's explicitly conveying personal taste). As it is,…

> Probably more crass than sexist Yes, crass. But it's not sexist.

No, I still think there's a sexist tone, but I will concede that it's more crass than sexist.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by eyeareque »

jareds wrote: post #75

If I were single I would be using this. I'm totally blind so Tinder has never been useful to me. I don't know how well it would work but I could see having my friends help me train it by describing pictures to me. I was never a big fan of the like absolutely everyone option, I felt like it would be hard to start a conversation. "Why did you like me?" "The algorithm I use to make up for the fact that I can't see your…

What photo would you seed the algorithm with? As in, do you have a preference for facial features? a Tinder for the blind population would be pretty awesome.

If everyone was forced to take a 3d photograph (MS kinect scan maybe?), the algorithm would work even better.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by goblin89 »

I imagine paid services offering this functionality are about to come up and rise and make news with their profits. Perhaps Tinder will have its own built-in. The potential is certainly there.

Automatic messaging would be especially neat. Bots can take the time-wasting initial conversations all to themselves, after exchanging with each other more or less predefined templates they’d employ a crude ML-enhanced algorithm to estimate whether their respective human masters would like to take it from there or let it slip. Less awkwardness, less uncertainty, more efficiency.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by lectrick »

nemothekid wrote: post #5

I feel the human race has made a rather amusing step forward to rule-by-algorithm. 30 years ago this would be dystopian, today its a byproduct of a mish-mash of open source libraries.

I think this will lead to a more interesting world.

I secretly believe this will ALSO lead to realizing that you can't "automate all the things," and that some small subset of things will persistently, stubbornly, refuse to be "algorithm'd out".

For the record, if you are a materialist/determinist (Dan Dennettist), then you're basically also agreeing to the postulate that eventually ALL the things (including ourselves) will be "algorithm'd out".

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by lectrick »

3beard wrote: post #12
nemothekid wrote: post #5

I feel the human race has made a rather amusing step forward to rule-by-algorithm. 30 years ago this would be dystopian, today its a byproduct of a mish-mash of open source libraries.

I wish I could work myself up into some kind of indignation, but what I really believe is this: if you willingly submit yourself to the cesspits of human banality (i.e. Facebook, Tinder and all the likes), you pretty much deserve all the crap that will be unloaded on you.

With all due respect, I think this smacks of elitism.

The bigger problem IMHO is that spending too much time on those things (and perhaps here, or the Internet in general) leads to dopamine tolerance, aka "ADD". Which cannot be good for lasting relationships.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by touristtam »

kirk21 wrote: post #129

Anyone that can create a noob proof walkthrough to get this thing running? Thanks.

it is actually in the readme: install sbt, run the commands. That's assuming you have cloned the repo on your local machine and are running the commands from within the local repo.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

goblin89 wrote: post #134

I imagine paid services offering this functionality are about to come up and rise and make news with their profits. Perhaps Tinder will have its own built-in. The potential is certainly there. Automatic messaging would be especially neat. Bots can take the time-wasting initial conversations all to themselves, after exchanging with each other more or less predefined templates they’d employ a crude ML-enhanced algorith…

The problem is that no matter how clever you make your algorithms in the end dating is about people. And if the person isn't interesting then nothing else matters.

There are other things worth optimizing in ones life besides technical sophistication. Interpersonal skills are a big one.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by marvin »

Udo wrote: post #64
marvin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think my comment came across as saying something other than what I intended (-4 at the moment). What I mean by "shitty gender stereotypes" is that, as you say, everyone is expected to conform to this model (guys and women alike). Under this stereotypical model, the pace is dictated by the women, which is why I singled this out - but of course it's a two-way evolution of behavior. "Kind-of-works as long as you subsc…

> but I think everyone's opportunities are diminished by this I share your frustration, but I've also become very cynical about this. If people didn't want it this way, they wouldn't do it. It seems to me in my social circle, partners are chosen first and foremost for the function they perform. "I needed a full-time mother for my children" "I didn't want to be alone anymore" "I felt time was running out" "I wanted a…

That's a pretty dark interpretation, and I don't think I can disagree much when we are discussing things on a societal level. Thanks for sharing your thoughts :) I hope you're in a good place, or at the very least that you're on your way towards it. Kudos on high moral standards and a clear vision.

I do think the ideal exists; I have seen many examples. But it's certainly not the most common possibility.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by vannevar »

Ixiaus wrote: post #92
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it sexist? Surely if female attraction to particular forms of female bodies is sexist then the vast majority of women are sexist? Crudely termed, granted. Of course the GP could be male too I suppose; not sure if that makes a difference.

It's a sexist statement because personal taste is implied rather than stated, the question is totally valid but should be phrased in a socially friendlier way. This is the only way for men to overcome the wave of sexism finger-pointing. "What about other body parts I find attractive?" isn't sexist. Or even, "I like boobs, what about those?" also isn't sexist (since it's explicitly conveying personal taste). As it is,…

I see your point, but the sexism you speak of comes from our assumption that the poster is male because he likes boobs (not necessarily true), and our consequent conclusion that "he" is implying the readership here is male. As you say, the mere expression of a personal sexual preference is not sexist in any way. People use Tinder to find a sexual partner for themselves, so any criteria is fair game (even if it may cause eye-rolling). Now if it was being used to select Nobel Prize-winners, saying "what about boobs?" would indeed be intrinsically sexist.
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