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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by deong »

Padding wrote: post #34
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

Until computers are as generally intelligent as humans, the algorithms aren't going to be the overlords -- they're going to have overlords. The algorithm isn't processing your loan application because it runs a bank; it's just doing what the bank's owners paid for it to do, and if they want to say, "because fuck you, that's why", they can happily continue to do so. If anything, better AI may make them better able to leverage their existing advantages over the rest of us.

And when the AI does reach human level (a long time from now), we may be no more capable of understanding its motivations than we are of understanding those of other humans today.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by [deleted] »

karma_fountain wrote: post #26
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

Gahh, close your if statement man.

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Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by donkeyd »

Tinder should start using Eigenfaces to give people an estimate of the chance of finding a match when they sign up. You know, to manage expectations.

"With your face and your standards you have a 1% chance to find a match. Please lower your standards or improve your face."

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#45

Post by Padding »

deong wrote: post #41
Padding wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

Until computers are as generally intelligent as humans, the algorithms aren't going to be the overlords -- they're going to have overlords. The algorithm isn't processing your loan application because it runs a bank; it's just doing what the bank's owners paid for it to do, and if they want to say, "because fuck you, that's why", they can happily continue to do so. If anything, better AI may make them better able to…

> if they want to say, "because fuck you, that's why", they can happily continue to do so

Not if there are incentives for the algorithms to be subject to public scrutiny.

> And when the AI does reach human level (a long time from now), we may be no more capable of understanding its motivations

(1) You're implying they/it'll have "motivations" in the first place. My whole argument was about a lack of motives.

(2) There's a difference between understanding how a conclusion was reached and why it was reached. Example: You may not understand how your compiler decided that line X in your program is dead code, but you may still be capable of comprehending that it in fact is dead code.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

#46

Post by Coding_Cat »

karma_fountain wrote: post #26
karmacondon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

Gahh, close your if statement man.

Don't worry, he was using C and he defined THEN as an empty macro statement.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by your_ai_manager »

deong wrote: post #41
Padding wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I, for one, welcome our algorithmic overlords. Just imagine a world where you'd never have to hear "because I said so" and "becasue fuck you, that's why" ever again. A world where for everything that goes wrong, there'll always be a clear way to fix it and some clearly identifiable someone liable for the mistake. A world where being handsome is no more an advantage than having blue as your favorite color. Etc. Mayb…

Until computers are as generally intelligent as humans, the algorithms aren't going to be the overlords -- they're going to have overlords. The algorithm isn't processing your loan application because it runs a bank; it's just doing what the bank's owners paid for it to do, and if they want to say, "because fuck you, that's why", they can happily continue to do so. If anything, better AI may make them better able to…

Algorithmic middle managers then?

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by yourbackstop »

karmacondon wrote: post #25
nemothekid wrote: post #5

I feel the human race has made a rather amusing step forward to rule-by-algorithm. 30 years ago this would be dystopian, today its a byproduct of a mish-mash of open source libraries.

As someone pointed out in another thread, we're ruled by algorithms now and have been for quite some time. Tinder itself is based on a human processed algorithm: IF ((I think that he/she is hot) && (he/she thinks I am hot)) THEN date(); The good thing about computer algorithms is that we can open them up and see how they work. Like, y'know, hackers. This program is doing the same basic task as a person would, "Look a…

Maybe you want to look into the 'Psycho Pass' series for some illustration of the risks.

Re: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces

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Post by Padding »

sarasastro wrote: post #28

How does this take boobs into consideration ?!

I love how this is a perfectly valid question given the context .. even if the phrasing may be somewhat off.

Back to topic, I'd think boobs (and other parts of the body that aren't part of the face) won't have much impact on prefrences.

Would you really reject someone because of their cup size, despite their pretty face? Similary, would you accept someone just because of their cup size despite their less-than-pretty face?

I mean sure there are people out there for whom this may be a valid concern, but it won't for the vast majority. So the question then really only is where you draw the line - what about asymmetric boobs and other body features?

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