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Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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As with a few of their other skunkworks (POWER->X86) we have no way of knowing if they've already been hard at work on it for years and years.

The Apple Maps experience is evidence against that, though. We know that they were working on maps for years and things like PoI search were among the biggest issues. I find it hard to believe they would have done that badly if they had an in-house search team (if only because such a team would have been good at flagging problems and suggesting solutions).

Maps are a bit different to web search though. There was never a Google Maps-quality geographical database available for sale; to get good maps Apple has to send people out into the world to compile the data. It was inevitable that any competing map service would start out underwhelming, because mapping is a job that intrinsically requires a good deal of time and actual physical work to make it high quality. Web search is different; that's something you can build almost entirely in secret (apart from the odd hint when someone spots a new user agent string), without having to step out of your metaphorical basement until it's fully baked.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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This isn't a rational decision, this is war. Google screwing with phones, Apple will screw with search. Apple isn't running out of money or smart people, so they probably have a shot if they want it.

Rational decisions are the only way to win a war. Apple operates as though they do not have competitors, they only care about making the best possible devices they can, which is why they are so profitable. Chasing Google is the opposite of The Apple Way. Apple has a very hard time attracting and keeping the best people, just like Google, Facebook, and everyone else. By definition the best people are always going to b…

>Rational decisions are the only way to win a war.

There's a lot of military history that disagrees with you.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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If anything, web search would be counterproductive for them. Google likes search because you see ads on search results then go to other pages and see more ads. Apple doesn't have that incentive; if anything they want to keep you in the App Store's curated experiences. Why send someone to an Open Street Maps website instead of one of the various OSM clients on iOS where you can get extra features via in-app-purchase?

Maybe they actually just want their end users to have a great web search experience? They added DuckDuckGo as an option to their OSes recently and I'm sure they would be happy to not feed any more traffic to Google than strictly necessary. It could benefit Siri making the built in web search more intelligent instead of leveraging a 3rd party API who might even charge for access since there's no ads. It might even sel…

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Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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I am doubtful this is to take on Google directly, and I am sincerely doubtful that they'd be able to pull it off if it was. Microsoft funneled billions in to competing, and it has mostly fizzled. Google has had too much of a head start to be competed with head-on.

Yes, I foresee a repeat of the Apple Maps vs. Google Maps debacle.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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I'm really not sure why people think Apple would get into the web search business. Web search represents just a fraction of the total advertising spending that other web companies like Facebook aren't even bothering to chase Google for it. Google's stock has been in the toilet this year because their core business is facing shrinking ad margins from the shift to mobile, it doesn't make any financial sense to get into that business.

Add that to the fact that this is completely out of Apple's wheelhouse and their history of relatively never straying out of their circle of competence and it should be pretty clear that this isn't for web search.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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I am doubtful this is to take on Google directly, and I am sincerely doubtful that they'd be able to pull it off if it was. Microsoft funneled billions in to competing, and it has mostly fizzled. Google has had too much of a head start to be competed with head-on.

Apple has two things Bing & Google don't: 1) an ad-free business model 2) control of Siri & Spotlight, the native search functions on a huge swath of devices I'd say they have a fighting chance.

A fighting chance of what? Unless they monetize search, it's just a cost. What ad-free business model can monetize search?

Unless they are paying Google a fortune to be the current engine, and rolling their own is cheaper. This seems unlikely.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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I've wondered to myself why they didn't buy DuckDuckGo and just integrate. I'm sure there are 1000 good reasons not to do it, but I did wonder it to myself. Especially since they seemed to put it in the spotlight with the iOS8/Yosemite release. Privacy is now a legitimate selling point and people would probably be willing to pay for services and tools that value that. But I guess there is no value in buying it so that would be why.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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I am doubtful this is to take on Google directly, and I am sincerely doubtful that they'd be able to pull it off if it was. Microsoft funneled billions in to competing, and it has mostly fizzled. Google has had too much of a head start to be competed with head-on.

If its built in as the default search on iOS, they can make significant strides. It may take some time, but I wouldn't bet against it.

They've done that with Bing already, and Bing hasn't shown a huge spike in usage: http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-slips-default-bing-in...

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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Apple has two things Bing & Google don't: 1) an ad-free business model 2) control of Siri & Spotlight, the native search functions on a huge swath of devices I'd say they have a fighting chance.

A fighting chance of what? Unless they monetize search, it's just a cost. What ad-free business model can monetize search? Unless they are paying Google a fortune to be the current engine, and rolling their own is cheaper. This seems unlikely.

> What ad-free business model can monetize search?

The one where you make craptons of profits selling high-margin devices that come bundled with services that offer ad-free user experiences and maximum privacy.

And it's Google that pays Apple a fortune to be the current engine, not the other way around. Just to give you an idea of who holds the cards here.

Re: Jobs at Apple-Search

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If its built in as the default search on iOS, they can make significant strides. It may take some time, but I wouldn't bet against it.

They've done that with Bing already, and Bing hasn't shown a huge spike in usage: http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-slips-default-bing-in...

Bing is just on Siri and Spotlight in Yosemite. All versions of Safari still default to Google. In fact that default deal will end soon, and Bing and Yahoo want to replace Google as the default.
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