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Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I wish there were something like this akin to the National Guard. If I could serve a weekend a month (or maybe even more, if it were something closer to my civilian skill set), I probably would have opted for this over joining the Army. Hell, if they did that, I'd probably serve after my time in the Guard is up.

Contrary to all evidence of my puny physique, I'd still be afraid of getting dragooned/stop-lossed into overseas adventurism.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Two things I wonder about: 1) Is an outfit like the U.S. Digital Service considering people who don't have undergraduate degrees, but have a consistent track record or are a part of established teams? 2) Is the salary roughly comparable with what's available in the private sector? I understand that the government might pay less in return for some of the perks of government work, but how close are they coming these da…

The last time this showed up, the comments on HN[1] said that you're _capped_ at $155k and have poor pension and benefits. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8165082

> have poor pension and benefits

That seems to rule out the major reason to work for the government...

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

#73
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It would be really great to fix the IRS's digital presence. Make TurboTax obsolete. I hate TurboTax.

You'll hate them even more: They're one reason why taxes are more complicated than they should/could be. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/04/auto...

Here in Sweden you receive a fully-filled-in tax declaration from the Tax Office. For 99% of people with normal jobs, all you have to do is confirm the declaration on their website OR by sending an SMS OR by calling a telephone number OR by using their app.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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It would be really great to fix the IRS's digital presence. Make TurboTax obsolete. I hate TurboTax.

You'll hate them even more: They're one reason why taxes are more complicated than they should/could be. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/04/auto...

I found their Superbowl ad particularly offensive. Basically it asserted you don't need representation in taxation as long as it was "free to file". Totally absurd.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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(I've been working on Healthcare.gov for the past year and know some of the people at USDS; I was also YC S11 and appreciate the great parts of startup culture even more now)

PSA: I know it's not easy to tell from the outside, or from a website, but this is the real deal. Things are starting to change; by government standards, at ludicrous speed. The Healthcare.gov crisis really started a useful fire.

Todd Park, Mikey Dickerson, and the team he's building at USDS and the people he's placing into new "digital services" teams at other agencies like the VA-- if you meet them you'll quickly find out why they were superstars at their tech companies.

One important thing to understand is: yes, things really can be vastly improved IRL, not just in theory. It's not that government IT services ("IT") suck because the people responsible for it don't care. They're just in a completely different world, expectations and otherwise, and don't know how much better it could be.

E.g., they don't know there exists a hosting option that is more secure, more reliable, and less risky (and costs 90%/$90M less per year). Or that there exist software people who can build a far better user experience (#1: the worst UX is downtime, #2: product lead needs a) exist, and b) fight for the user on every decision), while still meeting all business requirements (for 80%/$20M less per year).

Some people do know, but they can't do it themselves [0], and they also don't have access to the right people to do it for them; their practical options are Lockheed Martin's "small-business" subsidiary, or ACRONYM's federal IT division.

USDS and 18F are fixing this, and much more. They need your help. I'm not sure what's public, but the progress is incredible. It's still going to take a long time. Most of all it's going to take more software engineers, designers, PMs, etc. The tech gap between Silicon Valley and DC is unbelievable until you've experienced it. Go east! (Or west [1])

It's definitely frustrating to work for/with the government (not sure how it compares to other institutions that provide many real-world services to a diverse 300+ million population), but if you're put in a position where you can actually change things, the impact is enormous. And now you can do that as a software engineer/technologist with no existing clue about government, because USDS/18F has leverage and the ability to place you where you can make that impact. [2]

The federal government deeply impacts all of our lives [3] and whether you think it should do more or less, there's no reason for what exists to be so incredibly inefficient and customer-unfriendly, especially when there's a huge pool of tech people with the skills needed to fix it, and now, a pipeline that can get them (you!) to the right place. Please apply!

(There's also small teams of engineers [4] on the inside tackling this problem, if you prefer that (less direct, but avoids gov. pay being capped at ~$150k or so and the strict background checks.) Contact me if you want more details.)

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[0] They're also too busy trying to keep their heads above water in a bureaucratic system that seems to function only because many of the people in it work so hard, but I digress.

[1] AFAIK, USDS is based in DC (and I think has positions in Boston), 18F is mostly in SF (Civic Center) and DC, with a few remote people around the US.

[2] Imagine if you could direct and organize a team of people to rescue expanded healthcare coverage in the US (oops, Mikey did that already)

Imagine if you could help 22 million veterans get the care they deserve on time, instead of hundreds of days late

Imagine if you could help "fix" the IRS with auto-prepped tax returns (definitely seems like the hardest one on this list-- but it's also one that everyone wants to see happen. And yes it's a policy problem, but it's also a technical problem-- imagine policymakers having to trust the system that resulted in the original healthcare.gov. And informed engineering opinions have much more weight than you'd imagine.)

[3] Yes I know there's a whole world outside of the US, especially on the Internet :)

[4] "startups" and "small businesses" both have connotations on HN that I'm trying to avoid...

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I would love to see a program like ROTC -- the government pays for you to get a CS degree and then you work for the Digital Service to start your career.

You end up being 26 with a great education and a solid work experience under your belt. Seems like a win-win!

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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Does joining the US Digital Service require a clearance, and if so does occasional marijuana consumption automatically disqualify you?

Member of 18F here. Not sure about USDS, but we get "public trust", which is basically the step below clearance. Basically means "stuff that isn't public yet". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance#Public_Trust...

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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While I do not doubt the intentions are honest and government is waking up to the new reality of digital, until the new CTO has any kind of budgetary powers...this is just a dream.

As luck would have it, USDS is connected to the Office of Management and Budget =)

Time to dream big.

Re: Join the U.S. Digital Service

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I saw Mikey Dickerson (in the video) speak to a group of ~200 people last summer about the work that he and his team did on healthcare.gov. He was at Google for nearly 8 years and left to run the recovery team for healthcare.gov. Their team is the real deal -- they saved the site in just a few months and now over 6 million people have signed up. Read the Time Magazine story for the full account. He does not seem like…

I agree. I wonder if they're willing to take people straight out of college. I'd be interested in doing a short "tour of duty".

One of the people on the original healthcare.gov team with Mikey was right out of college, and I was only at Google for a year before I joined a team working to fix healthcare.gov (not USDS, but same ecosystem, and we spend a lot of time with the USDS folks).
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