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Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by patja »

VLM wrote: post #109

I wonder what the redistribution license will look like. Most stuff I've used a pi for have been "copy image to flash card, install flash card, boot and run" not running apt-get or make install type commands from the console. (I'm installing an octoprint box this week, sometime, bye bye repetier-host) Historically microsoft has been a little displeased with people redistributing their software. Another issue little d…

When you read the terms of the program, you only get one single copy of prerelease software, and the license is only good for 60 days.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by zanny »

spdustin wrote: post #170

I think there's too much arguing for things that kids don't give a shit about. The argument can't be, "think about the children!" The argument must be, "preserve the children's rights to think for themselves." It is on us as adults - parents, teachers, trusted elders, whatever - to instill in the kids the information needed to make decisions, and the fundamental skills to objectively utilize that information in a rat…

And nothing kills curiosity more than NT system calls that are undebuggable and the bureaucracy around setting up a .net development environment or even worse trying to use any other language on Windows than the .net stuff.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by rasz_pl »

Fantastic news. Just as positive as that time Microsoft decided to "help out" with OLPC .....

All of WinRT and Metro you would NEVER want, without that pesky Windows applications (x86) compatibility every statistical user associates with Windows brand.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by zanny »

bryondowd wrote: post #176
anilgulecha wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this was answered. It's bad because teachers would push for a platform they presumably know more about -- Windows.

Going to play devil's advocate here. Teachers will push Windows, because they know about it and they can teach it. If you throw a pile of linux machines at teachers, how many are going to have the time, ability, and will to actually learn it well enough to teach it? It's hard enough to get a school to teach kids anything beyond using Office. I'd be happy to make things as easy as possible on the teacher who are willi…

Except the teacher on Windows by design cannot teach a huge chunk of the stack that makes a computer a computer. They talk about hardware, maybe a bit about the ToS breaking NT source floating around this comment section, skip over everything else and land on this theme park island of C# standard library and Windows forms.

It leaves a huge gap in the childs education on computing that is one the major reasons so many people today do not even know Windows is not the only OS out there. And of course if they learn on Windows they are going to stay on Windows a huge majority of the time and it just breeds another generation of .net developers who would have a panic attack if a line didn't end in a semicolon.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by userbinator »

rburhum wrote: post #178
ekr wrote: post #66

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Now, while legally, you are perfectly right, Windows is as close as ever, it's not actually that hard to look under the hood. I work as a Windows device driver developer, and sometimes I need to reverse engineer some of the internals, and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but t…

So basically, you can set the example for kids to not give a crap about IP and that it is OK to study/do whatever they want with something they find online. Nevermind that because they have not signed the MS agreement it is basically stolen property. I see somebody mirrored it already.

Given that one of the core principles the hacker culture was founded upon is "knowledge should be free", I think setting such an example is clearly in the spirit of encouraging such a culture.

Unfortunately the average kid is likely not going to discover such things on the Internet, and even those who pirate tend to be more interested in far less educational content... I think it's somewhat sad that, despite the various file-sharing/peer-to-peer systems that have appeared making it easier than ever to share lots of content, and build something akin to a massive distributed library, the majority just use them for entertainment.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by UK-AL »

mantenpanther wrote: post #32

I can't see this working, hence windows is not exactly a lean OS. Coinincidently I'm stuck in an update/reboot cycle at the moment after a fresh install. Also i need to extend my partion of 60GB after just installing the OS (8.1) to get Visual Studio installed (which will also take at least 10GB). I like the new direction of MS, but i wonder if it's possible to succeed with so much old baggage to carry...

The core of windows is tiny, its all the other stuff that makes it big.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by forrestthewoods »

microtonal wrote: post #37

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

Or it makes tinkering easier and simpler than ever. Linux is many things. User friendly is not one of them.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by chernevik »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #181
chernevik wrote: post #167

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Yesterday I was setting up Crouton on my 11 year old daughter's Chromebook. She wants to learn to program, she says, so I said, great, let's get you a real programming environment. She was nervous about her computer and all the stuff flying by on the screen, so we talked about what her computer is -- a CPU, memory, storage -- it's all bits, nothing happening here can hurt it. We then got Python up and drew a turn wit…

To this I would say jeez: worrying about how your eleven year old daughter might be restricting herself to particular technology platforms is really somewhat premature.

I'm a Dad with teenagers. My next ten years will be worrying about how they're restricting themselves.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by adrianm »

ekianjo wrote: post #152
bohol wrote: post #141

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I'm not talking about pre-90s and I've been to many demoparties. Do you want to refute that the PC demoscene have had a huge impact on the modern games industry? Because if you read my original comment, that is my point. Oh, and maybe you should read the site guidelines, second paragraph under "In Comments". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

First, I was not answering to your "mid 90s" comment. I was referring to that one: > The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows. Which is blatantly false. Where do you think Team 17 come from ? A number of their members were recruited on the Amiga demo scene, and that was well before PC gaming was a thing. And huh, the game industry existed way before PC Gaming. In 1985 t…

You're both talking about two different generations of the demoscene. Bohol oversimplifies the history in the same way you oversimplify the history; you're both tracing it back to the points of reference you're familiar with. That being said, I think a more forgiving interpretation of "The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows." is that the modern state of each scene stems from the mid 90s. I don't believe that would be an entirely false mischaracterization, because Windows' influence has been pervasive on the scene since the mid 90s. In the end, Bohol is looking at it from "when did the greats of today get their start?" and you're looking at it from "when did the greats that influenced the kids in the 90s come from?". At least that's my interpretation of the argument. In a sense, you're both right.
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