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Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by chrismcb »

LukasMathis wrote: post #41
engendered wrote: post #4

The whole bit on loss aversion (which is a tactic to undermine people's opinions by ascribing them to unproductive emotional reactions, rather than objective evaluations that have people liking Windows 8 less than 7), and then the "I don’t really see anything positive about going back to an interaction design originally devised in 1995", undermine the piece and do make it seem more like a rant than an unbiased evalua…

I like Windows 8 on the desktop. I agree that it has issues, but I also point that out in the article. As for "undermining people's opinions": while I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who genuinely gave Windows 8 a chance, and found it severely wanting, I think it's fair to say that there are at least as many who never did, and just joined in on the bashing. Personally, I've seen a number of people who m…

Windows 8 is horrible on the desktop, I think you even mention this. But then you ignore that and talk about how great it is on the surface. You talked about loss aversion, but I don't see how you tied that in to the windows design. I thought you were going to discuss things that were removed from win 7, like the start button. But it just seems like the topic of loss aversion was another article that you included in this one. The real issue is trying to resolve both a touch screen environment with a keyboard and mouse environment. Win 8 is the former, with win 7 the latter. I don't know much about 10 but it seems to be more of a mouse and keyboard and less of a touch.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by AndrewDucker »

wfunction wrote: post #79
arthurfm wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In other words, it's both modal and it wastes real screen estate. The Windows 7-style Start Menu is modal too in the sense that you can't interact with the desktop at the same time you are interacting with the Start Menu. The other thing I don't particularly like about the Start Menu is that shortcuts and folders with long names get cut off due to the width of the menu itself. Screens are a bit like RAM in my opini…

> The Windows 7-style Start Menu is modal too in the sense that you can't interact with the desktop at the same time you are interacting with the Start Menu. Huh? If you define it that way then everything is modal because you can only ever interact with one window at a given time (one mouse, one keyboard, etc.)

No, Windows 7 Start Menu is different.

If I open it, start typing, and switch to a different window, then it loses all of its state, and has to restart from scratch if I go back to it.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by darklajid »

engendered wrote: post #10
darklajid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. No, it wasn't. It isn't. (I liked the improvements in 8.1 but that blanket statement from you is false)

Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false. See, we can both do that. Fun. However in my case I'm supported by this very development , where Microsoft is essentially backtracking based upon enormous customer resistance and a backlash.

And the article we're looking at here is complaining about moving away from the Windows 8 direction.

The author seems to consider that a mistake and likes the Windows 8 way better. So do I. This is all subjective, just like your statements are. You just claim to speak for everyone/state facts. That's still wrong, ignoring that childish retort.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by darklajid »

agersant wrote: post #80
Amezarak wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. I use Windows 8.1 on the desktop every day - since Windows 8 was released - and I honestly can't understand why people have such huge problems with it unless it is just about change. I had my first impressions of it in a VM when it was RTM. At that time I did think it was pretty ugly and I got really frustrated (i.e., I was cussing up a st…

> There is a fantastic context menu on the Start button with quick access to various administrative functions. Never heard about this one before, thanks for the tip!

Never tried that, but I'd guess that is what Win+x pops up? If you don't use that so far, it's quite useful.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by bjmarte »

ptx wrote: post #71

> You can design user interfaces that work for both, and mouse-driven systems profit from many of the UI changes that make for good touchscreen user interfaces — a clean, simple interaction design and large click targets, for example. I don't think this is true. With a mouse, you can easily make very precise small movements, so a tiny button positioned right next to where you already have the mouse cursor (perhaps, f…

You can't do both at the same time, true. That doesn't mean that you can't make a system that works well as both at separate times.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by bjmarte »

chrismcb wrote: post #81
LukasMathis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Windows 8 on the desktop. I agree that it has issues, but I also point that out in the article. As for "undermining people's opinions": while I have no doubt that there are plenty of people who genuinely gave Windows 8 a chance, and found it severely wanting, I think it's fair to say that there are at least as many who never did, and just joined in on the bashing. Personally, I've seen a number of people who m…

Windows 8 is horrible on the desktop, I think you even mention this. But then you ignore that and talk about how great it is on the surface. You talked about loss aversion, but I don't see how you tied that in to the windows design. I thought you were going to discuss things that were removed from win 7, like the start button. But it just seems like the topic of loss aversion was another article that you included in…

He ignores it because it is tangential to the point. The point is that windows 8 (or at least 8.1 imho) had a great ui for a touch interface and there is no reason to destroy that while trying to fix the desktop experience.
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