Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

#1

Post by smcgivern » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:12 PM UTC

Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8
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Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

#2

Post by jagermo » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:43 PM UTC

Good points and well written (not the usual troll rant).

However what I dread most are the vendors and their crapware bundeling programs. Uch.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by Filligree » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:47 PM UTC

jagermo wrote: post #2

Good points and well written (not the usual troll rant). However what I dread most are the vendors and their crapware bundeling programs. Uch.

However, here's the thing: Windows are useful. An UI which pretends you shouldn't use them isn't good for anything complicated, when you use more than one application at a time.

Hierarchical start menus are also useful, for that matter.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by engendered » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:48 PM UTC

The whole bit on loss aversion (which is a tactic to undermine people's opinions by ascribing them to unproductive emotional reactions, rather than objective evaluations that have people liking Windows 8 less than 7), and then the "I don’t really see anything positive about going back to an interaction design originally devised in 1995", undermine the piece and do make it seem more like a rant than an unbiased evaluation: Someone with a touch screen tablet likes Windows 8, and doesn't like some of the changes in Windows 10. Welcome to the party the rest of us have lived in.

Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. The charm bar, the weird interactions, the gigantic click points that completely undermined the benefit of a highly precise mouse. It was a step backwards as Microsoft tried to force touch metaphors and designs on a mouse world. Now this user is complaining that they're forcing mouse metaphors on his tablet.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by ChicagoDave » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:54 PM UTC

jagermo wrote: post #2

Good points and well written (not the usual troll rant). However what I dread most are the vendors and their crapware bundeling programs. Uch.

This is why Microsoft introduced their Signature series. If you purchase any hardware with that identifier, there is no OEM bloatware. I picked up an HP Stream for my daughter and I was shocked to see it really was _just_ Windows and nothing else.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by WorldWideWayne » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:56 PM UTC

In Windows 10, the only feature I'm looking for is a simple on/off switch like Android has: Allow installation of apps from sources other than the [default app store].

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by izacus » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 6:59 PM UTC

engendered wrote: post #4

The whole bit on loss aversion (which is a tactic to undermine people's opinions by ascribing them to unproductive emotional reactions, rather than objective evaluations that have people liking Windows 8 less than 7), and then the "I don’t really see anything positive about going back to an interaction design originally devised in 1995", undermine the piece and do make it seem more like a rant than an unbiased evalua…

I think you entirely missed the viewpoint of the author: He's trying to use Windows 10 as a tablet OS not as a desktop OS and from that perspective they threw away everything that made Windows UX on tablets good to reintroduce all the hideous cluttered desktop patterns.

They just basically reinvented an ugly version of Windows 7 while throwing away what made Windows 8 a genuinely good OS on tablets - essentially instead of separating the desktop and tablet experience they went back to pushing desktop UI on tablet users.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by darklajid » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

engendered wrote: post #4

The whole bit on loss aversion (which is a tactic to undermine people's opinions by ascribing them to unproductive emotional reactions, rather than objective evaluations that have people liking Windows 8 less than 7), and then the "I don’t really see anything positive about going back to an interaction design originally devised in 1995", undermine the piece and do make it seem more like a rant than an unbiased evalua…

> Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible.

No, it wasn't. It isn't.

(I liked the improvements in 8.1 but that blanket statement from you is false)

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by jqm » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 7:05 PM UTC

I'm thinking this fellows opinion is a minority one, and his psychology degree must have come in the mail so he probably isn't licensed to diagnosis people in my state.

Not a fan of Windows8. The 10 preview I played with was an absolute step in the right direction.

Re: Windows 10: Re-Crappifying Windows 8

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Post by engendered » Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 7:06 PM UTC

darklajid wrote: post #8

engendered wrote: post #4

The whole bit on loss aversion (which is a tactic to undermine people's opinions by ascribing them to unproductive emotional reactions, rather than objective evaluations that have people liking Windows 8 less than 7), and then the "I don’t really see anything positive about going back to an interaction design originally devised in 1995", undermine the piece and do make it seem more like a rant than an unbiased evalua…

> Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. No, it wasn't. It isn't. (I liked the improvements in 8.1 but that blanket statement from you is false)

Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false.

See, we can both do that. Fun.

However in my case I'm supported by this very development, where Microsoft is essentially backtracking based upon enormous customer resistance and a backlash.