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Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

I love playing sports and always have. But I have major issues with categorizing everyone who has issues with them as elitist. Some of us dislike them because they're destructive to society. I'm sure I'm not the only one who went to a high school where athletics were more important than academics, and not going to the football game was worth a couple nitpicked points off on your chemistry quiz or some teacher who bec…

I love sports, but every time I watch or support them I feel like I'm destroying civil society and undermining democracy and helping to destroy the last vestiges of effective public education.

I'm not a big sports fan, but pro sports does serve a purpose.

Sports in general is ritualized hunting / warfare. A civilized and less brutal version of war, but the roots are clear. The skills used are the same as our ancestors used to survive: running, throwing, tackling, hitting things with sticks. That's war.

Watching sports is a celebration of those ancient survival skills, though they don't have much place in modern society. These urges exist within many of us, and need an outlet. Sports is highly preferable to the small-scale skirmishes that frequently occurred in centuries past.

Many people feel the strong call of tribalism too. Us versus them. Rooting for the home team, and feeling their ups and downs as your own is also wired into us at a deep level.

It would be a lot more effective for society if we were pitting city governments against each other, seeing who can deliver the best services at the lowest taxpayer cost. But I'm not holding my breath for someone to set that league. :-)

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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I used to have the attitude he mentioned, and when my eyes opened, I rejected it. Then I forced myself to watch American Football for a season. I actually had a good time. But I just couldn't really get into it. Problem is that when I have free time, I typically prefer to spend it doing other things. Not having cable doesn't help matters either. Maybe I'll give it another shot. It seems worth it to be able to connect…

Maybe try joining a Fantasy Football league with some of your friends? Doing this will greatly improve your enjoyment because you will be invested in the performance of the players / teams on your fantasy team.

Yeah, that's exactly what I did, with coworkers. Sorry I didn't mention it. Nobody does them at the new job, I think it might be banned :(

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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To my ears, this "cultivated disinterest" label comes off as something of a cheap stereotype. Simply put, not everyone who lacks interest in professional sports nurtures a "cultivated distinterest" in the subject, nor are we driven by some need to display this disinterest as some kind of marker of class rank or intellectual superiority. We simply lack interest in the subject, period. And when pressed on the subject,…

I know a lot of people who take their lack of interest in sports as a point of pride. I've been in bars where everybody immediately starts cheering after some amazing play, and my table gets up and ironically yells "FOOTBALL!" I still think it's amusing, but there's definitely an element of elitism to it.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

#274
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills." That's nice. What other corporate products must I consume in order to be a validated member of your social caste? How about this: "when you show overt contempt for fast food, you are showing contempt for most everybody, and that is a problem with your social skills." If I don't eat at McD…

> What other corporate products must I consume There is more to "sports" than watching them on TV. How about participating in them? It's good for your health, sort of like not eating McDonald's. > If I don't eat at McDonalds because I care about my health, am I unfit for socialization? There's a difference between "not eating" (or "not liking"), and "showing overt contempt" towards. So, yes. If you don't understand t…

> There is more to "sports" than watching them on TV. How about participating in them?

The context here -- starting with the article, and followed in the thread prior to your response -- was participation in the culture of fandom of popular professional sports.

Obvious, individual direct participation in sports is a completely different thing (and often a thing that competes with participation in fandom culture.)

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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post #20

When you show overt contempt for sports you are showing contempt for most everybody and that is problem with your social skills. It's called being a snob. The disdain for working class culture among academics was part of the reason I choose not to pursue a formal higher education. I suspect this overt snootiness keeps many gifted working class kids from participating in higher education. I grew up working class and w…

There is a difference between playing sports, supporting your kids playing sports and following professional sports. I think there a far more people who have disdain for pro sport fandom than participation in sports.

Strongly agree.

Sports as a team activity, a friendly space to be physically active and competitive (with varying degrees of physical injury risk depending on the sport), are fantastic. I was a three-sport athlete in high school and consider the lessons learned in that context just as important as some of the coursework. My cross-country team was full of AP math and science kids, while my soccer team had more of the kids who smoked pot and goofed off in class. Even supporting the teams I didn't belong to meant finding common ground with those I might otherwise have never associated with.

When I consider the professional sports phenomenon, I can't suppress my knowledge of its more insidious aspects. The ludicrous salaries in an age when the disparity between rich and poor is becoming more painfully exacerbated, and the effect that this allure has on the American educational system. The reinforcement of racially motivated prejudices. The disregard for players' physical and emotional well-being, as well as other more casual disgraces that Marshawn Lynch could readily identify. The vitriol frequently associated with team fandom (which I am fortunate to have escaped despite growing up in the heart of the SEC).

I don't begrudge anyone their enjoyment of collegiate or professional sports. Once in a blue moon I'll even attend a football or hockey game at a friend's invitation, and I whoop and cheer and critique just like the next guy. But don't ask me to fall in line with the majority and unreservedly celebrate professional sports just so I can "identify with the common man". I don't watch the Super Bowl, despite invitations, not because I feel some elitist need to prove my refinement to others, but because it's difficult for me to support a system that contradicts my values on so many counts.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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post #243

To my ears, this "cultivated disinterest" label comes off as something of a cheap stereotype. Simply put, not everyone who lacks interest in professional sports nurtures a "cultivated distinterest" in the subject, nor are we driven by some need to display this disinterest as some kind of marker of class rank or intellectual superiority. We simply lack interest in the subject, period. And when pressed on the subject,…

> nor are we driven by some need to display this disinterest as some kind of marker of class rank or intellectual superiority.

Not to disagree with you, but I was under the impression that most research on social signaling has shown that it is not a conscious phenomenon.

You don't do X because you think it will signal Y. You just do X, whether because of unconscious social signals you have received or because the information that X might signal Y is contained in the genome rather than in the brain.

Can anyone clarify?

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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Reading this discussion feels like just as much a waste of time as following sports. I think it's hard and pointless to make any conclusions about the reasons people are stubbornly disinterested in mainstream entertainment. Whether somebody is truly disinterested or trying to be disinterested because they believe they are above the lowly peasants...who really cares?

At least the article itself isn't too difficult to get through. From his list, number 3 is the one that jumped out at me:

"Interest in sports can expand or shrink to fill the time you’re willing to give it"

I'm skeptical about the "shrink" part. The main problem I have with sports is how swallowed up some people and society in general can be. There was a recent discussion on HN about books and how impossible it is to be able to read everything that's important within your lifetime. Now, I don't even read books (yet), and I'm certainly not a good role model for spending my time wisely. But I guess there's no problem with people spending time on whatever makes them happy, and if the time people put into sports makes them that happy, so be it. I think it would be better for everybody, however, if we focused more on improving our lives in the long run. Have some more discipline. On the other hand, I think it's great to be "open minded". Give everything and everybody a chance to be worth your attention. It reduces ignorance.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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It helps a lot if you have a friend who's really passionate about the sport; you can leech off of their passion until you develop some of your own. When I started dating the woman who would later be my wife, I would occasionally watch hockey games with her; she is from Detroit and grew up an ardent, passionate fan of the Red Wings. After a few games of her explaining the rules and strategy, telling me about the fanta…

Agreed. My girlfriend thought she'd never be into basketball. I asked her to watch a game with me, made a point of talking to her about what was going on, and some of the decisions being made. A few months later, she's as avid a fan as I am. I have zero interest in baseball, not a huge interest in football, despite being in Seattle. But we find basketball a lot of fun and make the trip down to Portland about once a m…

Interestingly, this interaction between my wife and I has gone both ways. The same way she got me into watching hockey, I ended up getting her into watching professional fighting games. She likes to watch Street Fighter because the footsie game is a bit slower, so it's easier for her to track what's going on. After I spent a few tournaments explaining some of the mind games and telling her about the various players and the common matchups, she's ended up getting pretty invested in watching major streams when they're on, and she has her own favourites characters and players that she likes to root for.

Re: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports

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The amount of commercials required to watch a game of football is intrinsically bad. The tax exempt status of the NFL is intrinsically bad.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/nflexempt.asp Specifically, "Claims that the NFL is using a tax exemption to avoid paying the tax due on these revenues are simply misinformed. The confusion arises from the fact that there is one small part of the NFL, unrelated to all this business activity, that is tax-exempt: the NFL League Office. The league office is the administrative and organizational arm of the NFL and d…

Ahhhh, owned by snoped. I feel dumb.

But kyllo has another good taxy point.

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