While this is certainly a step in the right direction, it displeases me that the FOSS community is so hostile to the ribbon-style UI MS uses in its office product. Its such a great concept that using LO is like stepping back into the Office 97 days. Frankly, I'd rather just pay every few years for a home edition of Office than do all the mental gymnastic needed to properly switch to LO.
I have stayed on Office 2004 for Mac (running on Rosetta, and with the free docx compatibility plugin: I'm pathetic, I know) for the longest time on my laptop just to avoid having to use the ribbon (which I "experience" daily on my Windows machine unfortunately). Since my next Mac laptop won't have Rosetta I'll have to move on, and that means switching to LO, not upgrading Office. And if LO ends up also using a ribbo…
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If you have one that is not private, please log a big along with the document and some sample screenshots of the correct and incorrect displays. Bugs like that tend to get our attention because they're easier to fix :)
I'd really love to, but in both cases where this has happened, the documents are very very private :(
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#143I am probably in the minority, but even AbiWord looks way better than this new design - let's have simplistic monochrome icons on our 4k 10-bit displays everywhere! Also, the font on toolbars is sci-fi and not serious-work-like. Huge white spaces everywhere with gradients out of place. I like the new fonts (seems inspired by Yosemite) and the bottom shape panel is nice as well.
I like AbiWord, but for some reason it keeps crashing on my Arch Linux system. Between Libre Calc and Excel, I've always had to revert to Excel for its Pivot Table features. Libre Calc has thus far made a very weak stab at that for me.
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Earlier this week I wasted 45 minutes trying to figure out why the software I've been writing was producing Chinese CSVs, before I finally thought to open them in some software other than LibreOffice. Thanks, Libre!
Did you change the encoding to UTF8? But it does look like our default option is now UTF-16, there's now a bug logged about this - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88909 Sorry that your experience wasn't great though :-(
No worries: I'm a developer too; I know these things happen. Given some of the regressions I've been dealing with recently, it was entirely believable that but was in my software -- otherwise I would have cross-checked with something else much earlier!
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>Its such a great concept that using LO is like stepping back into the Office 97 days. Maybe there's a reason why ribbon-style components haven't really taken off outside of core Microsoft products. I don't think the ribbon is actually that great-looking and I don't think it's that functional. I'm also a fan of a LO forging it's own identity. For far to long Open Office strove to mimic MS Office in look-and-feel.
The Ribbon is amazing when you have lots and lots of commands, many which aren't always commonly used. Few programs approach the sheer number of commands. IIRC, in Office 2007 it was like 1300? One of the main designers ran a blog explaining the design process. Even if you hate the ribbon, the explanation of how they came to it (heavily driven by telemetry, eye tracking studies, etc) is pretty cool. http://blogs.msdn…
I couldn't go back to taskbars and task panes after watching that.
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all 736?
I think it was a (snarky?) way of saying, "Remember that this is open source! Rather than simply groaning and giving up, please consider filing a bug report on it, and describing thjings in a way that we can reproduce it". Most open source projects don't have a QA department, so they rely on us to file bug reports so that they can know about broken behavior.
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I think it was a (snarky?) way of saying, "Remember that this is open source! Rather than simply groaning and giving up, please consider filing a bug report on it, and describing thjings in a way that we can reproduce it". Most open source projects don't have a QA department, so they rely on us to file bug reports so that they can know about broken behavior.
It's not bugs, parts of the import obviously are not implemented (missing code, not faulty code).
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I downvoted. If you want to use the ribbon-style MS UI, then use MS products. I am glad to have a place to go that allows me to read and edit ubiquitous Office documents without having to be part of the Office eco-system. I agree that LibreOffice probably reminds more of old than of modern Office—I use both as little as possible, so don't keep up with the trends—but so what? To put it differently, why should Microsof…
Classic software worked just fine, in its day. I can still remember most of the classic WordStar commands. ;-) The celebrations come when there are significant improvements, and there have been plenty of those. The (web-inspired) tabbed Office ribbon was a big one. Sorry they moved your cheese but the rest of the world isn't going to stop progressing even if you do.
I was not complaining about progress (which, in this case, I would simply call change). I was merely responding to drzaiusapelord's complaint about LibreOffice not 'keeping up' with MS Office by expressing my appreciation for the existence of a more 'classical' alternative.
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Classic software worked just fine, in its day. I can still remember most of the classic WordStar commands. ;-) The celebrations come when there are significant improvements, and there have been plenty of those. The (web-inspired) tabbed Office ribbon was a big one. Sorry they moved your cheese but the rest of the world isn't going to stop progressing even if you do.
> Classic software worked just fine, in its day. // So, it doesn't work now? The main question would be 'how much more productive one can be now than before?'. It would be nice if there were independent quantative studies on this - as word-processor use is a central part of most governments administrative functions I'd imagine that one can't move for the vast number of such studies ... lol. I'm guessing that the UI c…
There are groups that investigate the risks. EUSPRIG (European Spreadsheet Risk interest Group) has some great documents. http://www.eusprig.org/quotes.htm
I don't know if anyone is testing the main spreadsheet software with fuzzer-like tools; or if there are any mass audits of spreedsheets. Both would be useful.