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Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by nhaehnle » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 5:56 PM UTC

gosukiwi wrote: post #79

Looks like software from the 2000's :( They should just hire someone to make a modern design

Even if it does, so what? I'm all for having designers on the team, but gratuitous redesigns often end up for the worse.

Something like LibreOffice is a giant piece of software produced by a team that is far too small. They have to be conservative, and they have to focus their energy properly.

Frankly, instead of playing around with trying to make things "beautiful" (which is hopeless anyway, given how opinions differ), I'd rather they turned their design brains towards the kind of small tweaks that make the UI flow better. There are bound to be hundreds or thousands of little corners where twiddling slightly with the layout of menus, dialog boxes, etc. would make users more productive. Focus on those, please. (Note that judging by the more detailed reports, this is actually what they are doing.)

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by minimaxir » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 5:59 PM UTC

anonbanker wrote: post #93

k-mcgrady wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I downvoted. Don't down vote people simply because you disagree with them. Just because you don't agree with their opinion doesn't mean it should be hidden from others. Use the down vote to hide comments that don't add to the discussion.

Your personal moderation guidelines are admirable, but as they aren't in any way in-line with the moderation guidelines of the site, perhaps you should treat them like spiritual beliefs, and keep them to yourself? EDIT: s/like your/like/g (unintentional ad-hominem)

Ad hominem attacks, however, are clearly not in-line with moderation guidelines. :P

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by Zigurd » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 5:59 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #94

elektronjunge wrote: post #39

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That's just a viewer. Getting documents to render and making a usable touch interface for editing documents are two very different things.

It's a viewer because editing is disabled. Editing is coming :-)

Having a well-supported full-featured word processor on Android should be very popular. It could multiply the audience for Libre Office. Congratulations on a monumental effort.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by Karunamon » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

frozenport wrote: post #99

hippich wrote: post #49

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while this feature makes LibreOffice gather more users, in the long term this strategy IMHO will not pay off. "Microsoft formats" is moving target and playing "catch up with microsoft" game all the time - wasting resources which otherwise could be poured into making product itself nicer, which in turn will convince users to switch based on features, not just on the fact, that it is free. I hope my idea make sense :)…

Its not a moving target because old versions of office must open documents from new versions.

I've still got Word '97 documents where Writer frags the table formatting...

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by k-mcgrady » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:02 PM UTC

anonbanker wrote: post #93

k-mcgrady wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I downvoted. Don't down vote people simply because you disagree with them. Just because you don't agree with their opinion doesn't mean it should be hidden from others. Use the down vote to hide comments that don't add to the discussion.

Your personal moderation guidelines are admirable, but as they aren't in any way in-line with the moderation guidelines of the site, perhaps you should treat them like spiritual beliefs, and keep them to yourself? EDIT: s/like your/like/g (unintentional ad-hominem)

Where did I mention spiritual beliefs??? As for these being my guidelines - they aren't. In my time using HN I've seen many, many people advocate that guideline. It might be useful to rethink your attitude when commenting your average karma is less than one.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by gknoy » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:06 PM UTC

ExpiredLink wrote: post #97

buovjaga wrote: post #22

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/enter_bug.cgi

all 736?

I think it was a (snarky?) way of saying, "Remember that this is open source! Rather than simply groaning and giving up, please consider filing a bug report on it, and describing thjings in a way that we can reproduce it".

Most open source projects don't have a QA department, so they rely on us to file bug reports so that they can know about broken behavior.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by ncza » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:10 PM UTC

gkop wrote: post #51

bitL wrote: post #26

I am probably in the minority, but even AbiWord looks way better than this new design - let's have simplistic monochrome icons on our 4k 10-bit displays everywhere! Also, the font on toolbars is sci-fi and not serious-work-like. Huge white spaces everywhere with gradients out of place. I like the new fonts (seems inspired by Yosemite) and the bottom shape panel is nice as well.

AbiWord and Gnumeric have always looked better than their LibreOffice counterparts!

Gnumeric is utterly broken on xfce since gnome 3 or something. Invisible check marks, weird gradients everywhere, etc.

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by grandinj » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #104

frozenport wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not a moving target because old versions of office must open documents from new versions.

I've still got Word '97 documents where Writer frags the table formatting...

If you have one that is not private, please log a big along with the document and some sample screenshots of the correct and incorrect displays. Bugs like that tend to get our attention because they're easier to fix :)

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by grandinj » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:20 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #46

shRaj9fEc8Vith wrote: post #38

Don't OSS project has professional designer? I mean like Apple-quality designers?

Have you ever tried contributing to a popular FOSS product? I have. Expect to be downvoted, yelled at, etc for suggesting change, especially change that's an emotional issue for geeks (implementing a ribbon-like interface, you know the one started by the 'evil' microsoft). Linus's childish attitude is pretty much the poster boy for this attitude. Namecalling is the norm. There are so many cultural and management issu…

Come hack on LibreOffice we're a fairly friendly bunch :)

Re: LibreOffice 4.4, the Most Beautiful LibreOffice Ever

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Post by anon13839 » Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 6:21 PM UTC

gkop wrote: post #51

bitL wrote: post #26

I am probably in the minority, but even AbiWord looks way better than this new design - let's have simplistic monochrome icons on our 4k 10-bit displays everywhere! Also, the font on toolbars is sci-fi and not serious-work-like. Huge white spaces everywhere with gradients out of place. I like the new fonts (seems inspired by Yosemite) and the bottom shape panel is nice as well.

AbiWord and Gnumeric have always looked better than their LibreOffice counterparts!

Gnumeric is a large steaming pile of dog poo. Do a sort on a largeish file and it will consume all the known RAM in the universe. Do the same operation in Excel and it barely breaks a sweat.