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Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by ultrafez »

barbs wrote: post #74
cjensen wrote: post #10

A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple

According to the homepage: Because Hello is built right into Firefox, you can rest easy knowing that your conversations and information will remain private and secure. I'm not sure exactly why this is though. Also, out of curiosity more than anything else, what's a decent web-site that implements the same functionality (i.e. set up a VOIP session, let people join by sending a link, ideally anonymously)? I could've sw…

I haven't tested it, but https://appear.in/ seems to do what you're describing.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by [deleted] »

mbrubeck wrote: post #84
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #11

Do they have the specs anywhere on their encryption?

Here's a good summary: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/rtcweb-13.pdf The peer-to-peer WebRTC connection uses DTLS+SRTP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datagram_Transport_Layer_Secur... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Real-time_Transport_Pro...

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Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by knodi123 »

MichaelGG wrote: post #115
Sir_Substance wrote: post #107

It seems there is a lot of confusion going on here. Firefox hello is a website that implements webRTC based video conferencing in a browser agnostic way. The "firefox hello" button that has shown up in recent versions of the browser is a bit of UI magic over an API to this website. The video conferencing code is not implemented in the browser. If you send a firefox hello link to a chrome user, it opens the webpage wh…

This is a like a case study in how to [not] handle messaging towards technical users. There's no issue here, but it just appears like Firefox is now shipping apps or something, rather than essentially a bookmark.

that's certainly what I came to complain about, until I read the comment you replied to.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by m_mueller »

visarga wrote: post #134
songco wrote: post #129

Oh, when Mozilla add "Share Screen" feature to hello?

Use VNC, it's better anyway. I run vnc over a ssh tunnel to make it safer.

So, what's your workflow when you need to see someone's screen? Please note: You might talk to this someone for the first time and (s)he might not be an IT person.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by justinschuh »

gcb0 wrote: post #127
pekk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any problem with people making open source projects and then publishing them once they are finished. It's still open source.

If you had contributed to chromium for weeks, and then google come with it's monthly dump and overwritten everything you and others did in the open, you would have a different opinion.

Sorry, but what the FUD is this? Chromium has never done anything of the sort. It's developed completely in the open and has a huge number of non-Google contributors committing code every day.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by vpeters25 »

BSousa wrote: post #6

I saw the tag line, liked what I saw until "powered by Telefonica". Seriously, I've lived in more than half of the European countries for a while, and never ever EVER saw such a shitty internet service as in Spain over their network. Lack of service for hours every day, substandard speeds... It made me anticipate a move to Portugal by one year because of their shitty service.

Same here, if you ask anybody in South America if there is a something like Comcast in their country they will all answer Telefónica without thinking.

Telefónica bought pretty much every South American national phone monopoly when the country privatized it. I dealt with them while living in Chile and let me tell you: Comcast's customer service is top notch compared to them.

By putting that logo in there, Mozilla is pretty much shutting down any chance of adoption in South America. In my case, even Microsoft's logo would be easier to swallow.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by reitanqild »

thesumofall wrote: post #145
yarou wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand the point of FOSS. It doesn't matter if government funds it (Tor) or if private interests fund it (entire GNU ecosystem). It's about freedom to distribute and modify the source as one sees fit.

My point is not that I see FOSS at risk but that they undermine the (important) idea behind Firefox: Providing a way for people to participate at the internet in an open fashion while protecting people's privacy. In the past we could hope that Mozilla and Google had the best interest of their users in mind but now having such super-obvious product placement? This raises a lot of questions for me and will do even more…

Take it easy. Remember Mozilla used to be sponsored by google for letting them be the default search engine? That is product placement if anything is. And you can argue it's sneaky: I didn't realize it until I'd used Firefox for a couple of years.

Actually, quite a few non-profits are sponsored by commercial interests and while sometimes this is a problem, often it is not.

Also: How would you like to fund development of Firefox?

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by jcheng »

suyash wrote: post #17

Now the question is can you enable 'Screen sharing' utility to it? It could then be a killer app for meetings and conferences getting rid of all the expensive external software applications? When I say screen share, I mean not just the browser's screen but the whole computer screen?

appear.in offers this, and in my experience has better video quality than Google Hangouts.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by tkubacki »

windlep wrote: post #97

Since no one realizes that Mozilla actually develops stuff in the open (vs. code/project-dumps like Google after its 'done'), here's the Mozilla project page for Hello (previously called Loop): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Loop A bunch of the hypothetical questions here on HN could be answered easily by skimming over this page and some of the pages linked in. Edit: I'm not suggesting its bad or good to get a project to a…

AFAIK Chromium and Dart are developed in the open now.

despite your edit - I'm felling you are suggestiong it's worse model.

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