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Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by nsm »

pmontra wrote: post #36
[deleted] wrote: post #15

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Me too. I immediately removed the Hello icon when I read Telefonica. Apparently it's because of Tokbox but I won't trust one more telco then I have to.

WebRTC is encrypted end to end. afaik Telefonica is only providing a STUN/TURN server so NATed clients can discover each other. You don't have to worry about Telefonica or anyone else eavesdropping.

Re: Firefox Hello

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cjensen wrote: post #10

A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple

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Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by nsm »

suyash wrote: post #18
caractacus wrote: post #2

Just what does the 'powered by Telefonica' bit mean?

Now that is scary, as I don't want to give all my personal data to some random company's server in Europe? Firefox is cool with me but Telefonica, not so much.

Your personal data isn't going anywhere. The server is only used for establishing the connection when clients are behind NATs (which in today's environment you usually always are). If I understand WebRTC correctly, once the link is established, all communication is peer to peer.

Re: Firefox Hello

#135

Post by nsm »

mgkimsal wrote: post #47

Guess I'm the odd duck out... Crashes every time I try it - 35.0.1 on Mavericks 10.9.4 :(

Please file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org, or you can email me the details (email in profile) and I'll file it for you.

Re: Firefox Hello

#136

Post by nsm »

tn13 wrote: post #100

I am happy to see Firefox adding any sort of functionality as long as they dont break the web standards. For example it would be bad if Firefox Hello comes as "hello.firefox.com" but does not work in Chrome. But if it comes as a Firefox only extension I am fine with it.

It uses webrtc. The link you share will work on any browser that has webrtc. The icon is only to make things easier if you use firefox.

Re: Firefox Hello

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Post by yarou »

thesumofall wrote: post #120
BSousa wrote: post #6

I saw the tag line, liked what I saw until "powered by Telefonica". Seriously, I've lived in more than half of the European countries for a while, and never ever EVER saw such a shitty internet service as in Spain over their network. Lack of service for hours every day, substandard speeds... It made me anticipate a move to Portugal by one year because of their shitty service.

I'm actually shocked by seeing Telefonica being able to so obviously placing their brand inside Firefox. I think it will seriously undermine peoples' trust into what is supposed to be an "independent" browser. Yes, people on HN know that Mozilla is since many years dependent on the sponsorship of Google et al. but having such obvious advertising?? Come on, Mozilla!

I think you misunderstand the point of FOSS. It doesn't matter if government funds it (Tor) or if private interests fund it (entire GNU ecosystem). It's about freedom to distribute and modify the source as one sees fit.

Re: Firefox Hello

#139

Post by hox »

windlep wrote: post #92
cjensen wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're confusing Firefox Hello with WebRTC. Let me explain by analogy with a video codec: For video, Firefox contains a video codec. Surfing to YouTube lets the YouTube web page play video. Firefox does not contain a "Youtube Player". That's exactly the opposite of what they have done here. They have added basically added a "Telefonica WebRTC Player". That's wrong. They should have added WebRTC generically so that yo…

WebRTC was "generically" added to Firefox in 2013, ie: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/06/webrtc-comes-to-firefox/ Of course, with it being added generically, tons of websites immediately started using it..... nope. Ok, well, lets go back before that blog post... https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/02/hello-chrome-its-firefox-c... Ah ha, isn't that neat. WebRTC in Firefox and Chrome and a demo of it! Wait, still pretty muc…

As for STUN/TURN being painful, Twilio recently released a STUN/TURN service platform: https://www.twilio.com/stun-turn. At least makes things somewhat simpler.

Re: Firefox Hello

#140

Post by thesumofall »

toolz wrote: post #126
thesumofall wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually shocked by seeing Telefonica being able to so obviously placing their brand inside Firefox. I think it will seriously undermine peoples' trust into what is supposed to be an "independent" browser. Yes, people on HN know that Mozilla is since many years dependent on the sponsorship of Google et al. but having such obvious advertising?? Come on, Mozilla!

Would you rather Mozilla pretend to be a company that doesn't need funding? I'm not understanding what a better alternative would look like.

I believe that the folks at Mozilla are capable and willing enough to not let an external company interfere with their product in any way that would harm their users. However, it is also a question of being able to communicate this to their users. Putting the logo of a company which is at least not famous for protecting its users right in front of everyone does not help getting this message across. Furthermore, I assume that Mozilla has likely not even received money but just services in-kind. Damaging the reputation of a product that is critical to the open web for a couple of servers?
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