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Re: Firefox Hello

#141
post #135

Guess I'm the odd duck out... Crashes every time I try it - 35.0.1 on Mavericks 10.9.4 :(

Please file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org, or you can email me the details (email in profile) and I'll file it for you.

filed (had to get home first)

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1127178

Not sure this is necessarily enough info to go on, but it's reproducible on my end for sure - it wasn't a one-off.

thanks.

Re: Firefox Hello

#142
post #61

Mozilla are clearly becoming desperate to find any distinguishing factors to market Firefox. Sadly, this feels like the beginning of the end for this browser.

Let's see where this stands three years from now.

Mozilla is working on some pretty neat stuff; and is paying attention to the rest of the world, not just the American/European/Japanese market.

Also since they are a foundation owned corporation with a public benefit mission https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/moco/ they can take a longer-term view than some of the other big players.

Having played with one of the flame dev phones for FirefoxOS I wouldn't be too surprised if within the decade they are dominant in areas of the world that don't have an installed base ( rural india, sub-saharan africa outside of SA, etc. ).

Remember that more people are going to acquire mobile internet devices in the next 5 years than were on the internet in 1998.

Re: Firefox Hello

#143
post #123

When is anyone going to make a pure WebRTC service for calling phone lines that would work in the browser? All existing ones require some native code plugins. Not sure why no one made such service yet.

Twilio Client (https://www.twilio.com/webrtc) does this through just JavaScript and webrtc, using Twilio as the bridge. granted you need to wire up to the JavaScript, but it's fairly simple.

Re: Firefox Hello

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post #25
post #10

A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple

Just call it the "Chrome-ification" of Firefox. Chrome is automatically updated to be jam-packed full of browser-specific APIs and functionality. Like when Chrome automatically updated and registered itself as a background service without permission. Or when Chrome automatically installed a microphone listening service for always on "OK Google" hotword detection. Or the fact that Chrome Apps are less and less "webpag…

Pretty sure Google would love for the web to not suck so much. I think the strategy is to support some decent technology and hope the rest of the world will get their shit together. The W3C is just slooooooooowwwwww.

Re: Firefox Hello

#145
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually shocked by seeing Telefonica being able to so obviously placing their brand inside Firefox. I think it will seriously undermine peoples' trust into what is supposed to be an "independent" browser. Yes, people on HN know that Mozilla is since many years dependent on the sponsorship of Google et al. but having such obvious advertising?? Come on, Mozilla!

I think you misunderstand the point of FOSS. It doesn't matter if government funds it (Tor) or if private interests fund it (entire GNU ecosystem). It's about freedom to distribute and modify the source as one sees fit.

My point is not that I see FOSS at risk but that they undermine the (important) idea behind Firefox: Providing a way for people to participate at the internet in an open fashion while protecting people's privacy.

In the past we could hope that Mozilla and Google had the best interest of their users in mind but now having such super-obvious product placement? This raises a lot of questions for me and will do even more so for the average user.

Re: Firefox Hello

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post #128

I've updated my user.js helper/repo to disable Hello/"codename Loop" - https://github.com/m-kal/PrivatePanda ----- Dear Mozilla, Firefox is a browser. Can you please stop with the feature creep? That'd be lovely. Remember, you're a browser, not an operating system. Oh, you'd like to be an operating system? Cool, then make an OS (o hai there Firefox OS) and keep that functionality there. Stop adding extra features tha…

You realize this is just a fancy bookmark, right? Lynx has bookmarks, too.

Can Lynx activate this feature at all? Lynx may have bookmarks, but as far as I can tell, Lynx does not have WebRTC support, which means it can not be exploited to share private LAN IP addresses, nor can it access web cams.

Firefox, like Chrome, is going overboard with non-web-browsing features. Some less technical users surely will appreciate that, but at some point it becomes less of a browser and more of a pseudo-OS.

If people don't voice their opinion against this direction, then Mozilla will continue down this path. I don't think it's too much to ask a web browser to be a web browser and nothing more.

Re: Firefox Hello

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post #143
post #123

When is anyone going to make a pure WebRTC service for calling phone lines that would work in the browser? All existing ones require some native code plugins. Not sure why no one made such service yet.

Twilio Client ( https://www.twilio.com/webrtc ) does this through just JavaScript and webrtc, using Twilio as the bridge. granted you need to wire up to the JavaScript, but it's fairly simple.

Do they have a WebRTC based service for users (not for developers) similar to Google Talk / Hagnouts phone calling which doesn't necessarily create a dedicated phone number for you, but allows calling other phones? I'm not interested in building my own service using their API, I want simply to use one like that without a need to debug weird issues in native plugins.

Re: Firefox Hello

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post #10

A web browser should not include X functionality, but should allow a web page to implement X functionality. In my view, this is true for most values of X, including Skype, Mail, Word, Excel... To add insult to injury, there is no simple way of disabling the functionality[1]. Firefox Hello is ludicrous. [1] about:config is not a valid value of simple

What a browser should and should not do is the prerogative of the business or entity behind creating it. I don't understand where you get this idea of what 'should' and should not happen happen in a browser.
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