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I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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Summary of Agreement (not judgement): 1. Plaintiff received $25K (directed to ACLU legal and subject to tax) 2. Philadelphia PD must communicate the following for a period of months: "Investigative detentions may be made only on reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct and any arrest must be based on probable cause. A referral by TSA agents is not grounds for arrest unless an officer makes a judgment ofprobable cause…

Seems like a lame outcome. If there is no admission or finding of wrong doing it really feels like there was no accountability whatsoever. The $25k is a rounding error and looks more like a token payment than anything else. They don't even have to make that paragraph part of their permanent police training. edit: How did they manage to drag this out for 5 years and still not have an actual judge or jury rule on this.

If there is no admission or finding of wrong doing it really feels like there was no accountability whatsoever.

Accountability for what, exactly? He wasn't arrested. He was detained. Police have wide latitude to detain people that are suspicious. I think any objective human being would say that a second look at him was warranted with those items in his bag. Whether he meant to or not, he pretty closely matched the profile of a radicalized US citizen.

BTW, the title of this article isn't even accurate - he wasn't arrested - but then I guess "I was detained for a few hours because I raised several red flags at the airport" probably wouldn't make it to the front page of HN.

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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> "Do you know who did 9/11?" Taken totally aback, I answered: "Osama Bin Laden." Then she asked me if I knew what language Osama Bin Laden spoke. "Arabic," I replied. "So do you see why these cards are suspicious?" she finished. As horrific as the situation, I think we can all enjoy the humorous nature of the conversation above. Lack of shame and intelligence is surreal.

60 countries, ~237,000,000 people and the United Nations ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_the_Unit... ) ... that sure is a lot of people to call "suspicious"...

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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post #51

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Seems like a lame outcome. If there is no admission or finding of wrong doing it really feels like there was no accountability whatsoever. The $25k is a rounding error and looks more like a token payment than anything else. They don't even have to make that paragraph part of their permanent police training. edit: How did they manage to drag this out for 5 years and still not have an actual judge or jury rule on this.

If there is no admission or finding of wrong doing it really feels like there was no accountability whatsoever. Accountability for what, exactly? He wasn't arrested. He was detained. Police have wide latitude to detain people that are suspicious. I think any objective human being would say that a second look at him was warranted with those items in his bag. Whether he meant to or not, he pretty closely matched the pr…

Being put in handcuffs and kept in a cell for several hours is not the same as being detained at a traffic stop to answer a few questions. And no, I don't think most objective human beings want to live in a police state where carrying arabic flash cards and a perfectly legal book is sufficient cause to be inconvenienced by the state in such a manner.

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Do you know who did 9/11? Osama Bin Laden! And did you know that Osama Bin Laden had shoes? So you see why your shoes are suspicious and we have to arrest you?"

"It is cheap, basic and widely available around the world. Yet the Casio F-91W digital watch was declared to be "the sign of al-Qaida" and a contributing factor to continued detention of prisoners by the analysts stationed at Guantánamo Bay. Briefing documents used to train staff in assessing the threat level of new detainees advise that possession of the F-91W – available online for as little as £4 – suggests the we…

So if you have an enemy just buy him that watch as a gift. :) :(

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is no admission or finding of wrong doing it really feels like there was no accountability whatsoever. Accountability for what, exactly? He wasn't arrested. He was detained. Police have wide latitude to detain people that are suspicious. I think any objective human being would say that a second look at him was warranted with those items in his bag. Whether he meant to or not, he pretty closely matched the pr…

Being put in handcuffs and kept in a cell for several hours is not the same as being detained at a traffic stop to answer a few questions. And no, I don't think most objective human beings want to live in a police state where carrying arabic flash cards and a perfectly legal book is sufficient cause to be inconvenienced by the state in such a manner.

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Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being put in handcuffs and kept in a cell for several hours is not the same as being detained at a traffic stop to answer a few questions. And no, I don't think most objective human beings want to live in a police state where carrying arabic flash cards and a perfectly legal book is sufficient cause to be inconvenienced by the state in such a manner.

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The 9/11 hijackers had flash cards with them?

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Regardless of what you think here, TSA is theater and is not effective, and not only does it not protect us, it actually threatens our dignity and rights. The problem is that the lower level employees don't realize their part in the theatre play ongoing.

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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post #158

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He didn't "choose" to hand them to security agents, he was asked to empty his pockets, which contained the flash cards.

Whenever I've been through TSA screening I empty my pockets to a tray. This report says "I took the set of flashcards from my pocket and handed them to the officers."

> This report says "I took the set of flashcards from my pocket and handed them to the officers."

That was done in response to "empty your pockets", a command from a TSA agent.

Paper doesn't trigger metal detectors so there's no real need to put it all into the tray the first time.

Re: I Was Arrested for Learning a Foreign Language. Today, I Have Some Closure

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Er, okay, what's wrong with that statement?

What you describe is doing everything you can in order to try to avoid a situation in which you might be required to flex your rights. How can you describe it as a strategy for "making sure your rights are respected"? It is on its face an attempt to make the question of whether you have rights or not a no-impact detail.

> What you describe is doing everything you can in order to try to avoid a situation in which you might be required to flex your rights.

I like to think of it as maintaining a preemptive strategy. I don't like this, but the world we live in is unfair and full of assholes who don't play by their own rules.

> How can you describe it as a strategy for "making sure your rights are respected"?

A man who faces no wars carries no battle scars.

> It is on its face an attempt to make the question of whether you have rights or not a no-impact detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E#t=256

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