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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by brymaster »

devindotcom wrote: post #227
Uhhrrr wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The initial scandal was that Nathan Grayson had been friends with the relatively unknown developer of Depression Quest for a long time, to the point of getting thanked in the credits of the game. He then plugged it, here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-v... And also covered her here: http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-we... ...without disclosing the relationship. Whi…

Exactly: no scandal.

The amount of cognitive dissonance you practice is astounding.

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Post by ANTSANTS »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #243
devindotcom wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly: no scandal.

I would say not disclosing something that's clearly a potential conflict of interest is scandalous. That Devin, a writer for TechCrunch disagrees is... interesting. Illustrative.

It's pretty sad how all it took was time and a thin coat of feminist paint for HN to forget how corrupt and morally bankrupt these clickbait "journalists" are.

http://www.realdanlyons.com/blog/2012/02/13/hit-men-click-wh...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3587730

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by current_call »

vertex-four wrote: post #209
marvin wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with VPS servers. Same with internet infrastructure; hubs, switches and fiber. Or ultimately any physical area in which people uttering heresy and atrocious opinions stay while uttering them (the latter point would ultimately be of concern to any owner of private property, or the state itself in the case of common public property). How are these distinct from imageboards, forums or reddit? This is a very slipper…

> Are you prepared to follow your reasoning all the way to its conclusion and stop people from having any platform for speaking their mind? No, that's not the conclusion. The conclusion is that the providers are responsible for it and are definitely enabling it, but sometimes that's better than the alternative. Not everything's black and white, unfortunately. I'm not entirely certain that unrestricted use of a popula…

Alright, so we're separating infrastructure into two types. There's "transport" infrastructure that allows people who already know each other to communicate and there's "audience" infrastructure that provides a way to present ideas to a group of strangers.

Holding providers of "audience" infrastructure accountable means that the only unorthodox groups that can communicate as effectively as the orthodoxy are groups with members that can provide "audience" infrastructure. Now the unorthodox suffer a disadvantage. The purpose of this system is to prevent dangerous and harmful ideas from being spread. This is still censorship.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

ijk wrote: post #176
Karunamon wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you care to elaborate on this further? The number of people who disagree with GamerGate, who are willing to deeply go into their reasons why, is very very tiny in my experience. Usually all you get is "gamergate is about harassing women", a link to an instance where trolls have done precisely that, and nothing further. Absolutely nothing to directly rebut the constant refrain that most people in the movement ar…

No, they're primarily picking fights with individuals and systematically distracting everyone from the actual corruption of monied interests. Every so-called ethics issue that GamerGate has highlighted has been a hugely overblown misinterpretation, while several major ethical issues, such as the attempt to tightly control what YouTubers could and could not say about Shadows of Mordor, were ignored by GamerGate. Major…

Read this article and tell me how this is overblown.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by smasuch »

pervycreeper wrote: post #234
smasuch wrote: post #212

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If 8chan didn't keep calling the police on people, I think it would probably get a lot less heat. You can't claim to be all for free speech, then say it's okay to call the police on somebody who said something you didn't like.

>If 8chan didn't keep calling the police on people 8chan is actually not a person, and no evidence has been presented that a user of the site has done any such thing. I have noticed a couple of posters in this thread posting a gish-gallop of links (mostly from discredited sources) purporting to prove something, but one sees upon inspection that they in fact do nothing of the sort.

It's like talking to a climate-change denier.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

Karunamon wrote: post #190
mafribe wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who were Anita Sarkeesian and Felicia Day doxxed by? Maybe they did it themselves, or their friends did it. Have you got any evidence at all that this is not what happened. After all damseling-in-distress is very lucrative these days. Edit: Downvoters, where is your evidence, where is your evidence, where is your evidence, where is your evidence?

This double standard absolutely boggles my mind, especially in the company of the people who usually inhabit this website. What evidence is there that prominent GG detractors are receiving harassment for their views? Exactly the same amount of evidence that prominent GG supporters are receiving harassment for their views, yet for some reason, this standard is only applied against some people and not others. I want to…

especially in the company of the people who usually inhabit this website.

It gets easier to understand when you realize most of us were bullied as kids. It becomes a natural instinct to herd together and protect our own. It's less because some of those people have media connections and more because those media connections happen to be people they consider friends and loved ones. At that point, emotional bias takes over.

Or, to put it another way, if somebody told you your mother was a murderer, would you believe him, no matter what evidence he presented? Even if he had a video of the event, it would be easier for you to believe that the tape had been doctored than for you to believe this person you loved could do something so terrible. At least it would be for me.

I'm not excusing it, mind you, just explaining it.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

_delirium wrote: post #199
Karunamon wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you care to elaborate on this further? The number of people who disagree with GamerGate, who are willing to deeply go into their reasons why, is very very tiny in my experience. Usually all you get is "gamergate is about harassing women", a link to an instance where trolls have done precisely that, and nothing further. Absolutely nothing to directly rebut the constant refrain that most people in the movement ar…

It's also the perception I have, mostly as a kind of observation of where the harassment seems to go (admittedly personal observation, not at all studying it systematically). I've spent a good amount of time mocking the gamergate set under my real name and nobody's done much to me. Trolling them is even a bit fun; it's sometimes a little unsporting, but sometimes it's amusing [1]. In related news, I'm a white male. Y…

Yet a number of my female colleagues have gotten torrents of abuse for much less criticism than I'm doing.

Women get more attention in general, both negative and positive, both online and off. You spent your time trolling GG, I spent my time arguing for GG. Both of us were largely ignored. There are quite a few women arguing in support of GG and they also get a large amount of attention (positive from GG, negative from antiGG). It's human nature to pay attention to women.

... it seems very anglosphere.

Considering all of the companies involved are American, this doesn't surprise me. I don't even think the UK would bother with it much if it weren't for Milo. It just doesn't affect anybody outside of American culture, thank god.

There was a period when a bunch of people had a conspiracy theory about how DiGRA ... was taking over games.

HAHAHAHA, oh man. I've never heard of DiGRA until just now, but that's hilarious. You should put DiGRA Illuminati on your business card.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ANTSANTS »

Kapura wrote: post #104
mahranch wrote: post #54

The problem I see with his retiring is one I've experienced on reddit as a moderator. When someone higher than you "retires" or goes otherwise inactive, yet still retains the power they hold, they inevitably come back. It's guaranteed. Even if it's only for a day. That doesn't sound like a problem at first, but it's a HUGE problem. Why? Because new policies, rules or ways of handling things get enacted or evolve and…

moot has always been pretty hands-off when it comes to managing the site; the current list of rules has been more or less the same for the entirety of the existence of 4chan. Some more board-specific issues arise from time to time and they tend to be resolved as they come up. They're almost always addressed by appealing to the existing set of rules or by making changes to the board technology itself; e.g. changing ho…

If you spend any time browsing the archives/ghost boards or the public ban list, seeing what content gets deleted and what people get banned over, I think you'd change your tune.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by arfliw »

na85 wrote: post #133
mhurron wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan isn't really different. Instead of taking your ball to another subreddit where you can now bully everyone who disagrees with you, 4chan just screams at you until you submit to the will of the board or you take your ball to some other website. Reddit and 4chan are both pretty big echo chambers, it's just the way they (the users) maintain it that's different.

>4chan isn't really different. >Instead of taking your ball to another subreddit where you can now bully everyone who disagrees with you, 4chan just screams at you until you submit to the will of the board or you take your ball to some other website. That's precisely the difference that I was referring to when I said that 4chan is more of a melting pot. Either people fit in and stay, or they don't fit in and leave. B…

I suspect you simply haven't found the right subreddits yet.
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