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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Uhhrrr »

devindotcom wrote: post #111
ANTSANTS wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The official reason was along the lines of "I don't want to host another Project Chanology," but it probably had more to do with the fact that moot was closely involved with at least one Gawker Media employee[1] and spoke at XOXO[2] alongside numerous companies and organizations that the Gamergate movement is adversarial towards. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gvtrp/ [2] http://knowyourmeme.com…

That's not what conflict of interest means

The journalist involved in the initial scandal worked for Kotaku, a Gawker site.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #69
krelian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

The official reason was along the lines of "I don't want to host another Project Chanology," but it probably had more to do with the fact that moot was closely involved with at least one Gawker Media employee[1] and spoke at XOXO[2] alongside numerous companies and organizations that the Gamergate movement is adversarial towards. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gvtrp/ [2] http://knowyourmeme.com…

I don't know why this is downvoted. Moot is involved with somebody at Gawker Media. If he is getting social pressure about "sexist" or "misogynistic" content, like pervycreeper claims, it's not out of line to suggest she could be a huge influence on his behavior.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Kalium »

headwayoldest wrote: post #119
ANTSANTS wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying. They still all deserve a voice and home. SWATing is horrible, but IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers send an armored car full of soldiers, armed to the teeth and ready to kill to anyone's house with a si…

>Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying. It's not directly relevant to the topic, but if you really believe this you should better educate yourself with regard to what has been done in the name of gamergate. >IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers…

I've actually had arguments with people who believe drunk driving is the fault of "the system" for not making transit instant and free for everyone. So blaming auto manufacturers is the sort of thing people actually believe.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

maresca wrote: post #113

I went to Startup School in New York last year and saw moot there. While outside between presentations, someone in the crowd called out "Chris, Chris Poole!" and some other memes at him. He seemed really put off by it and hightailed it out of there. I'd imagine he gets that often and could understand how that could be draining.

That's something that I haven't seen mentioned yet: The last few years, Moot has appeared to have nothing but contempt for the people who post on his site. I imagine a decade of being marinated in the worst the internet has to offer would do that to anybody.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by makomk »

steveklabnik wrote: post #107
Kalium wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ever heard the phrase "my right to extend my arm stops at your nose"? Great idea. Easy to misapply, because with speech people are very bad at knowing where their nose actually is. Having hurt feelings from something someone said? Not being hit in the nose, but I know plenty of people disagree.

Let's be real here, SWAT teams showing up at your house is far different than 'having hurt feelings from something someone said.'

Let's be real here, the incidences of SWAT teams showing up at people's houses have mostly been used to argue that action should be taken against people who say negative things online. Hell, we've even had demands that everyone in the gaming community should be forced to use their real name to end harassment, which is just about the worst thing you could do if you cared about SWATting but very handy for punishing people who hold the wrong views.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by boomlinde »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #88
boomlinde wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is the most likely reason for someone to think that he is a horrible person. Seriously, if you are interested in an answer you should just ask the question without answering it yourself with your strawman fantasy.

Funny because although I'm paraphrasing a little, it's precisely the reason why Brennan started 4chan. And he has more or less stated this multiple times in writing and through livestream. Christ, you can ask him this and he'll say that. But I'm guessing blindly believing rampantly biased media surrounding the subject is more your style, right?

I don't know anything about the operator of 8chan. I was objecting to the way that you were asking your question. The form of Why? Because [some unjustifiable reason you made up that is one of many possible]? doesn't serve as a reasonable argument and it doesn't add anything to the discussion other than the slightly passive aggressive tone it has.

If you actually want to call it paraphrasing, I'll go ahead and say that it's an outright misrepresentation of the post you responded to, since it contained nothing to suggest that.

> But I'm guessing blindly believing rampantly biased media surrounding the subject is more your style, right?

Where do I begin?

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Crito »

wpietri wrote: post #71
krelian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache. Years ago I worked on bianca.com (early community site; founded 1994, Webby 1997, closed in the dot-com bust), which had a similar unfettered-free-speech aspect to it. I feel a lot of sympathy here. Committing to publishing everything is one of those p…

> "My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache."

If I operated 4chan and wanted to get the racists out of my hair, the last thing I'd do is ban mention of other sites they could go to besides 4chan. If mentioning 8chan gets them to leave 4chan for 8chan, then that's a win for me, right?

My guess is that it was a combination of peer pressure and a measure against organized attacks against 4chan.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by pekk »

mahranch wrote: post #54

The problem I see with his retiring is one I've experienced on reddit as a moderator. When someone higher than you "retires" or goes otherwise inactive, yet still retains the power they hold, they inevitably come back. It's guaranteed. Even if it's only for a day. That doesn't sound like a problem at first, but it's a HUGE problem. Why? Because new policies, rules or ways of handling things get enacted or evolve and…

There are probably two sides to this story. You might see someone as out of touch when what really bothers you is that you were second-guessed or that a limit was placed on your power. One situation, multiple descriptions.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Crito »

Kalium wrote: post #123
headwayoldest wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying. It's not directly relevant to the topic, but if you really believe this you should better educate yourself with regard to what has been done in the name of gamergate. >IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers…

I've actually had arguments with people who believe drunk driving is the fault of "the system" for not making transit instant and free for everyone. So blaming auto manufacturers is the sort of thing people actually believe.

> "I've actually had arguments with people who believe drunk driving is the fault of "the system" for not making transit instant and free for everyone."

"Fault" is a concept that I believes always lies with the person who is actually committing the crime, but I think the general idea isn't outlandish.

Say I've got a problem of drunks leaving the bars at night and pissing on the sidewalk. I can make it illegal, arrest anyone who does it, and when the complaints continue to roll in I can point out you can't make people not break the law. It is nobody's fault but their own, surely I cannot be responsible for another man's bladder.

Alternatively I can recognize the futile nature of attempting to correct this behavior with laws alone, and do something like install public toilets in problem areas.

Designing a society to accommodate people such that they are less likely to break the law does not mean that I am assuming responsibility for their actions, nor assigning fault to myself when people break the law.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by comrh »

BryantD wrote: post #62
sroerick wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate

I would state this slightly differently: discussion considered to be abusive by the moderators/admins of their sites has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform. In some cases, that discussion involves GamerGate. It is possible to construct a conspiracy theory in which GamerGate is being censored, but given the existence of (say) http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/ , it's hard for me…

It is a reaction to "sea lioning" where GG seems to be injected into every possible discussion and once flagged as off topic and removed the conspiracy theory of "censorship" is fueled.
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