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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by killwhitey »

krelian wrote: post #41
pervycreeper wrote: post #24

This is not a surprising development, there has been speculation that Poole has been readying the site for sale in the past few months. He has taken action to sanitize the site by suppressing discussion of Gamergate and 8chan (mention of either was a bannable offense), and more recently a purge of /pol/ (that board had been a haven for conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis). The theory had been that he was making the bo…

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

Global Rule #4

>You will not post or request personal information ("dox") or calls to invasion ("raids"). Inciting or participating in cross-board (intra-4chan) raids is also not permitted.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by BryantD »

sroerick wrote: post #46
krelian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate

I would state this slightly differently: discussion considered to be abusive by the moderators/admins of their sites has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform. In some cases, that discussion involves GamerGate.

It is possible to construct a conspiracy theory in which GamerGate is being censored, but given the existence of (say) http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/, it's hard for me to believe that Reddit as an entity is removing all GamerGate discussion.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ciupicri »

sroerick wrote: post #46
krelian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

Discussion of Gamergate has been taken down in some form from every major communications platform other than (to my limited knowledge) 8chan and twitter. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and 4chan have all removed content related to GamerGate

What is the reason for Facebook to remove content related to GamerGate?

P.S. I don't understand why am I getting down voted for asking a question.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by redthrowaway »

pervycreeper wrote: post #24

This is not a surprising development, there has been speculation that Poole has been readying the site for sale in the past few months. He has taken action to sanitize the site by suppressing discussion of Gamergate and 8chan (mention of either was a bannable offense), and more recently a purge of /pol/ (that board had been a haven for conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis). The theory had been that he was making the bo…

I think GG and 8chan are the least of 4chan's problems if they were trying to sell. Constant loli, gore, and racist threads would be a far bigger turn off to a potential buyer. GG and 8chan threads were just banned because of his personal beliefs.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by mahranch »

vusys wrote: post #17
Karunamon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody actually knows. People have been banned for violations of the stated rules on each board despite not actually violating them, people have been left alone for flagrant violations of said rules. Board features like names, macros, and so on are toggled on and off more or less on a whim. To say that 4chan's enforcement is inconsistent would be an understatement. But, the chaos is a feature, not a bug. Something to…

Isn't that what they said about reddit? That mod abuse would result in alternative subreddits? Didn't really work out that way unfortunately.

Huh? There are countless examples of this happening. I can think of a dozen off the top of my head...

Of course it's not easy, but it shouldn't be easy. Mods spend a lot of time building up their communities. It should take an equal amount of work to create a competing subreddit.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by publicfig »

na85 wrote: post #34
Karunamon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody actually knows. People have been banned for violations of the stated rules on each board despite not actually violating them, people have been left alone for flagrant violations of said rules. Board features like names, macros, and so on are toggled on and off more or less on a whim. To say that 4chan's enforcement is inconsistent would be an understatement. But, the chaos is a feature, not a bug. Something to…

>it's basically Reddit, but for image boards I think reddit has shown us quite conclusively that the "create-your-own-niche" paradigm simply leads to a series of over-specialized echo chambers with perpetually rising levels of groupthink and self-reinforcing, self-congratulatory posting. In other words I think reddit's architecture amplifies shitposting rather than mitigating it.

I'd say that is hardly the case, there are plenty of specialized boards that allow folks with similar interest and passions to pursue those in ways that may not be possible outside of a specialized community. I'm sure you have some subreddits in mind when you make that statement, but to call fault to specialized communities for creating somewhat elitist attitudes and centralized opinions ignores the fact that less-than-specialized communities tend to have the same issues, though focusing even further away from the specialized interests addressed in specific subreddits.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by zorpner »

Karunamon wrote: post #23
BryantD wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Er, /baphomet is not "a doxxing board." Or, rather, it's not just a doxxing board. It's also a swatting board, and swatting is illegal in the US. https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/baphomet You are also 100% incorrect about "only legitimate stance." Hotwheels needs to be clear about what his guidelines are; as long as it's clear what rules the communities operate under, and as long as people are free to decide whethe…

I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that actual calls to swat people have been deleted on that board. But, I can't say for sure because I don't hang out there, and the events of GamerGate have me applying a shakerfull of salt to any negative press surrounding 8chan. And as far as "incorrect", that is your opinion and it is your own, I have a differing one. I like the idea of a site where the admin has assured tha…

People who wish to discuss their neo-nazism can go open their own forum wherever they wish, at their own expense -- once the government stops them, we have a problem (assuming they're not actively violating any laws, etc). No one is obligated to host that content, and people who choose to host or continue to host that content are active participants in that behavior. Silence is not complicity -- knowing, and choosing to be silent, clearly is.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by [deleted] »

earless1 wrote: post #42
Sealy wrote: post #32

"I founded 4chan eleven and a half years ago at the age of 15, and after more than a decade of service, I've decided it's time for me to move on." That makes him 25 now.... and just to think, he's in a position to move on from founding, creating and running one of the web's most successful messaging boards. Dang....

11.5 + 15 != 25

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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ANTSANTS »

krelian wrote: post #41
pervycreeper wrote: post #24

This is not a surprising development, there has been speculation that Poole has been readying the site for sale in the past few months. He has taken action to sanitize the site by suppressing discussion of Gamergate and 8chan (mention of either was a bannable offense), and more recently a purge of /pol/ (that board had been a haven for conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis). The theory had been that he was making the bo…

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

The official reason was along the lines of "I don't want to host another Project Chanology," but it probably had more to do with the fact that moot was closely involved with at least one Gawker Media employee[1] and spoke at XOXO[2] alongside numerous companies and organizations that the Gamergate movement is adversarial towards.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gvtrp/

[2] http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/833450-gamergate

EDIT: Downvote all you like. I'm not making any judgement pro or anti Gamergate in this post, I'm just pointing out a rather large conflict of interest.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by digi_owl »

redthrowaway wrote: post #64
pervycreeper wrote: post #24

This is not a surprising development, there has been speculation that Poole has been readying the site for sale in the past few months. He has taken action to sanitize the site by suppressing discussion of Gamergate and 8chan (mention of either was a bannable offense), and more recently a purge of /pol/ (that board had been a haven for conspiracy theorists and neo-nazis). The theory had been that he was making the bo…

I think GG and 8chan are the least of 4chan's problems if they were trying to sell. Constant loli, gore, and racist threads would be a far bigger turn off to a potential buyer. GG and 8chan threads were just banned because of his personal beliefs.

Yeah, i'm not sure how you would monetize a place like 4chan. Most high paying ads would likely shun it like the plague, so as to not have their brands forever socially tainted.
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