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Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by tomjen3 »

Simp wrote: post #27
neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Western christianity didn't leave all violence behind, see for example anti-abortion violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_S...

That is a little bit different, at least they are pissed or what they consider murders of human beings whereas these terrorists were pissed over writings.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by joshdance »

orf wrote: post #98
chroma wrote: post #32

The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…

The story of the Mormons is a lot easier to make fun of though, and they are drop in the ocean compared to Islam (the second biggest religion in the world). Even so would you put that play on in Salt Lake City? I doubt there would be massacres but I expect there would be some form of defacement or attempts at suppression by fundamentalists. And it's not just Islamic religion that would cause this, exactly what you de…

>I expect there would be some form of defacement or attempts at suppression by fundamentalists. The fundamentalists are spread thin, in remote communities across the western US. They just want to be left alone. Not a hint of defacement or suppression would come from them.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by Yoric »

kingmanaz wrote: post #309
_nedR wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't consider France the vanguard of free Speech - For example holocaust denial is a punishable offense there. So free speech hasn't taken precedence over political correctness. It's just that criticizing or offending muslims is considered politically correct.

Correct. Also, it should be noted that Charlie Hebdo recently fired a contributor for mildly criticizing a powerful Jew: "Below is the full text which got the cartoonist Siné fired and brought before a court on charges of anti-Semitism. He was acquitted and later won a wrongful termination suit against Charlie Hebdo. "The back story was that Jean Sarkozy rear-ended a BMW driven by some random Arab guy. Instead of sto…

For context, Siné had said a few years before, on the radio, just after a bomb against a Jewish restaurant, in substance, « I am an antisemit, and I am not afraid to say it [...] I want every Jew to live in fear, unless he's pro-Palestinian [...] Let them die! [...] They should be put to death. »

He later claimed to have been drunk.

Source: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Sin%C3%A9#Radio_Carbone...

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by melling »

geographomics wrote: post #341
icebraining wrote: post #3

Speaking on Today, [Omer el-Hamdoon, president of the Muslim Association of Britain] said causing offence “just for the purpose of offending” was not freedom of speech. Distancing yourself from the extremists [FAIL]

This isn't a 'fail'. Being repulsed by Charlie Hebdo's offensive depictions of religious icons does not imply being in favour of the assassination of its editorial staff. You can stand squarely against both, without contradiction.

Do you still think Cumberbatch was poorly cast in the Imitation Game?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777831

A best actor nomination.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by melling »

geographomics wrote: post #198
pohl wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race is an immutable characteristic. No one could possibly change their race. It's barely a valid concept. Holding someone responsible for an inseparable part of themselves is both ill-conceived and futile. Religion is software: adopt a baby from a family with a different religion and odds are that the baby will grow into an adult having your religion. It may feel like an inseparable part of oneself, but it is not: i…

Religion might be better analogised to firmware - installed early in the lifecycle by the manufacturers, difficult to replace; most end users would not do so or even consider doing so. If we look at someone who is born into a religion, lives their life holding those religious beliefs, and dies as a member of that same religion - is it valid to assume that they could have separated themselves from their beliefs? Just…

Do you still think Cumberbatch was poorly cast in the Imitation Game?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777831

A best actor nomination.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by geographomics »

melling wrote: post #476
geographomics wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a 'fail'. Being repulsed by Charlie Hebdo's offensive depictions of religious icons does not imply being in favour of the assassination of its editorial staff. You can stand squarely against both, without contradiction.

Do you still think Cumberbatch was poorly cast in the Imitation Game? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777831 A best actor nomination.

Yes I do, but what does this have to do with Charlie Hebdo?

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by melling »

geographomics wrote: post #478
melling wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you still think Cumberbatch was poorly cast in the Imitation Game? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8777831 A best actor nomination.

Yes I do, but what does this have to do with Charlie Hebdo?

Well, I had no other way to point out that you turned out to be embarrassingly wrong.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by geographomics »

melling wrote: post #479
geographomics wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I do, but what does this have to do with Charlie Hebdo?

Well, I had no other way to point out that you turned out to be embarrassingly wrong.

Okay but I'm somewhat surprised how much this conversation meant to you, that you've chosen to resurrect it a month later in a completely unrelated thread.

Anyway, his performance in The Imitation Game is just personal taste, it's not a matter of right and wrong, we just happen to hold different opinions - nothing to gloat about!

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