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Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#22
post #6

Speaking on Today, [Omer el-Hamdoon, president of the Muslim Association of Britain] said causing offence “just for the purpose of offending” was not freedom of speech. Distancing yourself from the extremists [FAIL]

Just because someone doesn't take your side in debate does not necessarily mean they took some other non affiliated point of view.

One could argue that he did, indirectly. Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want, within the margins allowed by the law, regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people. Somebody is always going to be offended, I think el-Hamdoon missed the whole point.

What he could have said instead, but didn't, is this: "While I find the cover disgusting, freedom of speech protects their right to publish this, and they should not fear for their lives because of it."

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#23
post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Western Christianity certainly haven't left violence behind. Just take the christian terrorist Anders Brevik who killed 80 people in Norway.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#24
As the article points out, this is essentially the only viable move for Charlie Hebdo. To have so often depicted Muhammad in the past, have most of their staff killed for it, become the focus of a worldwide movement that promises not to be intimidated or cowed by terrorism, and then not publish Muhammad in the next issue? An admission of complete defeat.

That said, bravo.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#25
The article and many peoples reaction comes across as if these two 'individuals' actually represented the Muslim community. This is quite obviously not the case if it is looked at objectively.

And to say that somehow the Muslim community must bear responsibility for the individuals actions is like saying that all the people of France must bear responsibility for every wrong committed in their neighbourhood, or their city, or by their government, were those wrongs not commit by French men and women.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#26
post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

The religious instinct hasn't gone from the secular western world, it's just been re-expressed in different more modern ways, variously consumerism, string theory, celebrity, and so on.

I'm pretty sure personally that it's built into our biology. In the words of Charlie Brooker:

"Imagine! Nothing to kill or die for! And no religion too! It's amazing, literally no one's ever had that thought before.

Okay, so there's always the possibility that the same part of the brain that handles fuzzy spiritual feelings is the same part that handles love and sorrow and pity and joy; the same part that makes us create songs and jokes and books and art and brightly coloured computer games in which an animated weasel collects starfish in a fountain; so once we wipe it out we might all be left scampering around the planet like thick, bipedal, cultureless mice - rutting, foraging, scratching behind our ears and doing very little else. But look on the bright side. No more religious conflict AND no more novelty ringtones. Two almighty evils erased for the price of one. Bargain."

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#27
post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Western christianity didn't leave all violence behind, see for example anti-abortion violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_S...

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#30

I'm rather curious why this depiction is considered to be that of the prophet Muhammad. Is it said so somewhere in their paper, or do we all just accept whatever interpretation is handed down to us by the fundamentalists?

Because the character is depicted similarly as in a previous cartoon by the same cartoonist: https://i.imgur.com/Lm4p71F.jpg

I don't get why you're being downvoted though. Have an upvote.

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