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What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Garfield, Dilbert, Foxtrot and Calvin and Hobbes is about the extent of my comic repertoire

Taking a 7 year old to a comic store is like tasking her to a pg 13 movie.. . Not too surprised it didn't work out. Comics tend to deal with adult themes and are aimed at older people.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I might tend to disagree with the author's final conclusion, that his daughter is too young to understand (at least about sexism and double standards, if not sex). Talking about this subject with your daughter when she brings it up is absolutely appropriate. There is lots of societal pressure on very young girls to fit a specific mold. It starts with very mundane differences... like short/long hair. Two weeks ago, fo…

Agreed on she probably not being too young to understand. And the whole "if she dresses sexy we'll lock her up ha ha" just sounded wrong.

As another suggestion, Orc Girl[1] is nice, though somewhat dark.

[1] http://readchallenger.com/comic/orc-girl/

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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What do you really expect? Comic books are overwhelmingly read by men. Men who generally -- and don't downvote me, you know it's true -- don't get much female attention. Of course the authors are going to spice them up a bit for their intended demographic. Men have comic books, women have romance novels (and don't tell me the covers for those books aren't intended to sexualize men and titillate their audience). It's…

I wasn't arguing that sex doesn't sell both ways. Was just disabusing the OP of his notion that comics are not highly sexualised. Still, there's plenty of novels for all sorts of audiences. Both the titillating kind (swing both ways), and otherwise. It's just a shame that the superhero comic format, which does appeal to a wider audience than just male teenagers, caters almost exclusively to that one group.

> which does appeal to a wider audience than just male teenagers

I think you're gonna have to cite that. I would put money on 90+% of the audience being men.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Maybe it's me but I cannot figure out what point the post is making. What exactly does the author 'get' now? How does the sexualisation of comic book characters relate to how women experience the tech industry? I'm not saying there isn't a link, but the author doesn't explain it from his point of view.

I have to admit I am a little discouraged by the way the author handles his interactions with his daughter. To explain something to your child as being for "older people" and to dismiss her questions with "Daddy's thinking, don't worry about it" seems to parallel the way adult women are treated by men. It's not my place to criticise how a parent behaves with their children but in an article that talks about the problems of empathy and understanding another's point of view it still seems that the author doesn't quite 'get it'.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I think http://shopbuy.org/static/category/original/romance-novels/E... sums my feelings up nicely. Romance Covers are, however, an entirely different topic.

I see them as the other side of the coin. Comic books are targeted towards men and sexualize women, romance novels are targeted towards women and sexualize men. Sex sells.

With respect to books, there are vast selections that mainly target men to balance out the romance book genre. With respect to comics, the selection targeting women is much smaller. It's not at all the same.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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The curves themselves are excessive, but look at the outfits and your argument comes tumbling down. Male superheroes are rarely portrayed in a sexually suggestive manner. Female superheroes see physically impossible cleavage and tons of skin as par for the course. The exaggerated features make male superheroes look powerful, while female superheroes look like playboy bunnies. It's like you're supposed to identify wit…

What do you really expect? Comic books are overwhelmingly read by men. Men who generally -- and don't downvote me, you know it's true -- don't get much female attention. Of course the authors are going to spice them up a bit for their intended demographic. Men have comic books, women have romance novels (and don't tell me the covers for those books aren't intended to sexualize men and titillate their audience). It's…

I think that was the point of the article. Comic book authors don't consider that women might want to read their books, and so they unwittingly cut women out of their audience.

Also, there's a difference between comics and romance novels. Comics are a medium, while romance novels are just one type of book. A book store will have many types of books including romance novels, but comic book stores may have just one type of comic, and it's usually for men.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

I know exactly how you feel. For the past year, my main gaming rig has been on another continent and I've been making do with what I could play on a cruddy little netbook running Linux.

It's probably been my best year of gaming ever.

I've been an old west robot prospector.

I've seen a man have sex with a giant goldfish.

I've tried to get a mouse to wear a hat.

I've consoled a grieving child.

After all that was done, I got a small amount of my hardware back and I killed some zombies. That was awesome, too. In fact, it was more awesome than it had been in a long time, since the variety had removed a great deal of the staleness.

It's the same with comics. I want to read a comic about a gay college student coming out to his parents. I want to read a comic about a goat that's also a political prisoner. I want to read a comic about a child learning to cope with the death of a parent. I still want to read a comic about a preternaturally buxom woman throwing a bus, but I want to read other things, too.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Having recently been on a comics binge after 20+ years of reading very few US comics and only slightly more European comics, and definitively not being very sensitive to this issue, I must admit it's still very much more noticeable today. The number of "lets make sure her ass shows" "shots" is much higher than I remember. Occasionally you even have characters comment on it. I'd think that if this was as prevalent whe…

I could be wrong, but weren't X-Men, Spiderman and the like always in the trash department of comics? From a European perspective it always seemed so. Sure they have a lot of fans, but they are not really representative of quality comics. (and by trash I mean silly stereotypes and exaggerations are basically implied).

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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What are your feelings on romance novel covers?

I think http://shopbuy.org/static/category/original/romance-novels/E... sums my feelings up nicely. Romance Covers are, however, an entirely different topic.

The flip side of romances, if there is one, isn't comic books. More like letters to penthouse. Romances are supposed to be for adults, and are meant to be sensual or erotic.

Like I said, different topic.

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