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I Owe It All to Community College

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Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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> classes I dropped after the first hour (astronomy, because it was all math) Yet another cultural figure stating without embarrassment how bad they are at math.

> Yet another cultural figure stating without embarrassment how bad they are at math.

Imagine how successful he could have been! What a waste of potential. /s

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly he optimized his brain for arts. Why would he be good at math?

Not the point. It undermines the whole STEM promotion that the US is currently undergoing. You never hear anybody brag about how they no can read gooder, if they're an athlete, butcher, scientist, whatever.

bragging != being unashamed

I'm not ashamed of many of my faults, and I will gladly talk about them if they're contextually important, but I'm not proud of them.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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I have issues with the Obama plan, not because I'm against community colleges, but because I have issues with how this will (probably) be funded (read: taxes). As a libertarian / ancap who believes taxation is theft, I don't support anything involving spending tax dollars, no matter how noble the end. That said, I'm a community college grad myself, three times over. I have an A.G.E. (General Education) from Brunswick…

Since taxes aren't going away anytime soon, I'd rather that taxes be used for education than military and prison building.

Agreed, actually... I don't like being taxed, but if it's going to happen, I at least want my money spent wisely. And I absolutely think education is one of the best (if not the best) outlets for that.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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I have issues with the Obama plan, not because I'm against community colleges, but because I have issues with how this will (probably) be funded (read: taxes). As a libertarian / ancap who believes taxation is theft, I don't support anything involving spending tax dollars, no matter how noble the end. That said, I'm a community college grad myself, three times over. I have an A.G.E. (General Education) from Brunswick…

Since taxes aren't going away anytime soon, I'd rather that taxes be used for education than military and prison building.

Exactly, $60 billion over 10 years is a drop in the bucket compared to the $610 billion every year for "defense".

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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$95 dollars a semester. It shows you how society used to provide resources for people to bootstrap their lives. The same individuals who benefited from this investment have not decided to pay it forward. They argue for lower taxes and support for education.

Today, the cost is somewhere around $50/unit, not too bad.

If I could allocate my tax dollars toward programs like Community College and other non-University options (Coursera?) I would be all about higher taxes for education. But I get fatigued and resentful when public institutions cry poverty and then we see things like this:

> UC Berkeley Police Chief Victoria Harrison retired with a lump-sum package of $2.1 million and was immediately rehired as UC Berkeley police chief with higher pay than she had earned before her retirement.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081212/news_lz1ed12top...

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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I have issues with the Obama plan, not because I'm against community colleges, but because I have issues with how this will (probably) be funded (read: taxes). As a libertarian / ancap who believes taxation is theft, I don't support anything involving spending tax dollars, no matter how noble the end. That said, I'm a community college grad myself, three times over. I have an A.G.E. (General Education) from Brunswick…

Libertarian here as well. I am more of the opinion that the government should set rules on the cost of education for any school accepting government aid or any school who accepts students who pay with government loans. Want to get the price of education back in line, drop the open checkbook. The issue I take with taxing to pay for everyone's college is that apparently there is no determination what constitutes a good…

As in, I do not want to see money thrown at majors that can never pay back the investment or require such skill and luck to achieve pay back relative to the cost.

Good point. Paying for somebody to get a degree in, say, Medieval History, so they only job they can get post-college is "Barista at Starbucks", seems suboptimal to me.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the point. It undermines the whole STEM promotion that the US is currently undergoing. You never hear anybody brag about how they no can read gooder, if they're an athlete, butcher, scientist, whatever.

Ehhh, I hear STEM people with an embarrassing grasp of writing/social interaction/the humanities wear that as a badge of honor. At least Hanks if self-effacing.

Those guys are idiots. I figure they turned a shameful weakness in high-school into a badge of belonging in college and real-life. It's also a lack of humility. I'm ashamed to be associated with them.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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I had a more enlightening, more rewarding, more encouraging experience in community college than I ever have had before or since in any other form of education.

If I can place any flaw on it, it's that the experience was in fact too edifying, and kind of ruined my attempts to survive the painful meatgrinder that was an actual full university education.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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> classes I dropped after the first hour (astronomy, because it was all math) Yet another cultural figure stating without embarrassment how bad they are at math.

I was good in math and I dropped astronomy because it was all math. That and it was extremely boring.

Re: I Owe It All to Community College

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I have issues with the Obama plan, not because I'm against community colleges, but because I have issues with how this will (probably) be funded (read: taxes). As a libertarian / ancap who believes taxation is theft, I don't support anything involving spending tax dollars, no matter how noble the end. That said, I'm a community college grad myself, three times over. I have an A.G.E. (General Education) from Brunswick…

>As a libertarian / ancap who believes taxation is theft, I don't support anything involving spending tax dollars, no matter how noble the end.

That's pretty hard core. How would you fund services like police/fire departments or infrastructure improvements (roads, electricity), basically anything where its existence benefits many (as opposed to say redoing education to require parents to pay for individual tutoring of their children) - voluntary tipping, usage fees?

How would you pay for courts and enough government to enforce contracts?

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