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Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by Guthur »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #22
Guthur wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because someone doesn't take your side in debate does not necessarily mean they took some other non affiliated point of view.

One could argue that he did, indirectly. Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want, within the margins allowed by the law, regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people. Somebody is always going to be offended, I think el-Hamdoon missed the whole point. What he could have said instead, but didn't, is this: "While I find the cover disgusting, freedom of spee…

"Within the margins of law"

So it's not completely free.

There is a hate speech law in France. So there are limits to speech and many people might find them acceptable limits.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by dtf »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #5

I'm sure the Wednesday issue will sell out in no time, despite its edition of 3 million, and become a "collector's piece" for those opposing terrorism and violence (as well as for those who want to resell it on Ebay for a profit ;)). I really admire the courage of the Charlie Hebdo staff, who, just one week after the attack, publish a new issue of their journal. For me, the main problem now is how we deal with the po…

Here's a great interview with Luz, whose signature you can see on the cover drawing. The interesting thing is that Charlie was at heart an iconoclastic magazine, and yet ironically has now become an icon of free speech - something the staff aren't particularly happy about.

http://www.lesinrocks.com/2015/01/10/actualite/luz-eyes-us-w...

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by matthewmacleod »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

Oh, please don't take this to such a stupid extreme. Being a deliberate dick to people isn't something to be lauded; be respectful and thoughtful, even when you disagree.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by friendzis »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

I believe that this warning here serves as a comic relief.

Furthermore, it could reasonably be that Guardian here follows somewhat common trend not to sit silently and subdue to terrorism threats but to at least display subtle retaliation. Or it was author's take at this while still getting published. Could be flat-out wrong on this one, though.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by [deleted] »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #22
Guthur wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because someone doesn't take your side in debate does not necessarily mean they took some other non affiliated point of view.

One could argue that he did, indirectly. Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want, within the margins allowed by the law, regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people. Somebody is always going to be offended, I think el-Hamdoon missed the whole point. What he could have said instead, but didn't, is this: "While I find the cover disgusting, freedom of spee…

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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by PeterWhittaker »

infruset wrote: post #30
lovelearning wrote: post #19

I'm rather curious why this depiction is considered to be that of the prophet Muhammad. Is it said so somewhere in their paper, or do we all just accept whatever interpretation is handed down to us by the fundamentalists?

Because the character is depicted similarly as in a previous cartoon by the same cartoonist: https://i.imgur.com/Lm4p71F.jpg I don't get why you're being downvoted though. Have an upvote.

And another.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by jpgvm »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

Unfortunately the concept of having the right to be offended, but not the right not to be offended doesn't seem to have been explained to Muslims.

Every other faith (and other large group of people) seems to have accepted it however.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by fafner »

Simp wrote: post #27
neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Western christianity didn't leave all violence behind, see for example anti-abortion violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_S...

I think neals meant "modern" Christianity, as in what has become of Christianity thanks to the age of reason. This excludes some Western (especially US) branches of Christianity.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by NKCSS »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

And, to make it even worse; the cover is depicted on the side of the article, 140x187px... it's like not printing it at all, because it doesn't look like it's part of the content at all.

The Office 365 ad that is actually inserted inside the article text has three times the screenspace relative to the cover picture.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by matthewmacleod »

Guthur wrote: post #25

The article and many peoples reaction comes across as if these two 'individuals' actually represented the Muslim community. This is quite obviously not the case if it is looked at objectively. And to say that somehow the Muslim community must bear responsibility for the individuals actions is like saying that all the people of France must bear responsibility for every wrong committed in their neighbourhood, or their…

No, it really doesn't come across as that.
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