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We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by cmdkeen »

Encosia wrote: post #157
Retra wrote: post #153

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Microsoft's development tools are (therefore) expensive, so unless you're getting paid to use them, it's harder to invest yourself in them.

There's been a free version of each Visual Studio release for about ten years.

More than that the Community Edition keeps getting more fully featured. To the point where for the average indie developer there isn't that much difference, especially compared to the intro paid edition. Plus with Bizspark you get 3 Ultimate licences.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by DonHopkins »

hueving wrote: post #113
higherpurpose wrote: post #94

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Microsoft does lots of money-losing acquires. Think Skype. They'll recover their money in 20 years (unless they account the contracts they're getting from the government for giving them Skype access as amortization).

You don't get a contract for being forced to comply with a secret court order for information.

Of course you are correct. The NSA never gives money to companies to weaken security. That would be unethical and un-American.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rs...

And it's also true that James Clapper didn't lie, he simply misspoke.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-clapper-says-he-misspoke-d...

"It has been very disappointing to have my integrity questioned because of a mistake,"

Did it hurt your feelings as much as mine that they questioned his integrity in such an insulting and unpatriotic way? People who would do such a thing are the real terrorists.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by cmdkeen »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #71
Stratoscope wrote: post #68

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> Microsoft is about as marmite as you get in software (along with Oracle perhaps)... Sure, I have fond memories of the days when trendy developers would see me using a ThinkPad instead of a MacBook and ask, "Mike, when are you going to move away from the dark side?" Not so much any more. People I talk with seem reasonably impressed with the way Microsoft has been open sourcing .NET and other projects, making Visual…

I find this to be true of younger people who aren't aware of Microsoft's past and don't look at them with the sideways glance the rest of us do. In fact, I find it amazing how many younger people never even heard of their dark side and all the anti-trust movements on two continents.

I grew up hating M$, plus I'm British so we get the whole EU anti-trust thing to boot.

But over the past few years Microsoft has made huge strides, especially the work the two Scotts have put in. Huge amounts of source code open source, their PAAS running all sorts of OSes in VMs, etc.

It isn't the late 90s any more, those that look askance at Microsoft these days seem rather old fashioned given the new shenanigans that are going on.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by amadeusw »

niutech wrote: post #98

Every monopoly is bad. GitHub is becoming one. I don't think it's a good move, as well as Google abandoning Google Code.

That's what I thought until I read Peter Thiel's "Zero to One" where he makes an interesting argument that a monopoly allows a company to innovate, and patent system helps innovative monopolies to exist. I wouldn't extend Thiel's argument into other fields than computer science, though cough telephone carriers cough cable tv

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by pmelendez »

ddbennett wrote: post #159
pmelendez wrote: post #91

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> BitBucket for private stuff/stuff I don't want showcasing. GitHub for open-source. I use them in the same way, but I can't help but feeling that I am taking advantage of Bitbucket and not giving anything in return, regardless of being good guy Bitbucket.

If you like Bitbucket don't feel bad about using it. We like seeing real developers benefit from our efforts -- it's a refreshing break from playing cat and mouse with the bad actors trying to ruin it for everyone.

Thanks! I am a big fan of what you guys are doing... And I am sure I am not alone :)

I am just a bit jealous about the weather down there ;)

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by locusm »

Retra wrote: post #153
tacos wrote: post #101

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There are certainly more devs now than 20 years ago, and certainly more types of projects where the C#/.NET stack isn't appropriate, but I'm not sure your argument is valid beyond that. Microsoft's also making plenty of money off .NET! Dev tools alone is a billion dollar business for them. The ecosystem around SharePoint alone (which sucks!) is larger than that of every tech on the HN homepage right now. Spend five m…

Microsoft's development tools are (therefore) expensive, so unless you're getting paid to use them, it's harder to invest yourself in them.

Plus you can be locked out of VS if you go away for a weekend and haven't signed into the IDE in a while. Happened to me twice last year. Let me repeat that - they force you to login to their tools (that Ive paid for) and if you don't the IDE is rendered unusable. Fuck the guy in the VS team that OK'ed that feature.

But it was a blessing in disguise really as it made me look into other pastures like Node & Laravel.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by Retra »

Encosia wrote: post #167
Retra wrote: post #161

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And it'll run on my Linux machine, presumably?

About as well as Xcode runs on my Windows machine, but there are always VMs. (I wasn't who downvoted you, BTW)

Well, as a fairly broke student who doesn't own any Windows computers (and who's plenty tired of Java), I've found that getting into C# is unnecessarily unpleasant. It doesn't help that everybody's advice seems to be "get Visual Studio."

I'm sure it's great, and if I put more effort into it I might get something to work. But it is a real barrier: Why should I jump to C# if it isn't actually any more convenient?

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by Encosia »

Retra wrote: post #177
Encosia wrote: post #167

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About as well as Xcode runs on my Windows machine, but there are always VMs. (I wasn't who downvoted you, BTW)

Well, as a fairly broke student who doesn't own any Windows computers (and who's plenty tired of Java), I've found that getting into C# is unnecessarily unpleasant. It doesn't help that everybody's advice seems to be "get Visual Studio." I'm sure it's great, and if I put more effort into it I might get something to work. But it is a real barrier: Why should I jump to C# if it isn't actually any more convenient?

As a student, you should look into this program: https://www.dreamspark.com/

There are some great cross-platform developments in the pipeline that should allow you to have a native Linux experience approaching VS the future, but you really should use VS if you want the best experience with C#/.NET today. DreamSpark will give you access to free licenses of Windows and VS (and other Microsoft software), that you can install in a free VM host like VirtualBox, so don't let the perceived costs of using VS deter you.

I can't remember if DreamSpark comes with any Azure credits. If it does come with the $150/mo credit that most MSDN subscriptions do, you can use that to run a Windows/VS VM in Azure and just RDP to that. They have templates prebuilt so you can spin up a new VM with Windows and Visual Studio already installed with one click. That's a great way to get up and running very quickly: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudioalm/archive/2014/06/04/v...

My email's in my profile here. Feel free to get in touch if I can help with anything.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by to3m »

andrewchoi wrote: post #152
pmelendez wrote: post #150

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G-bomb?

I assume he means generics.

Maybe... :)

I was a little circumspect because the usual response to any suggestion that a lack of generics might be some kind of problem is - generally - not positive.

But my point is merely that C# has this thing, and Go doesn't. If I knew enough about Go to say instead that it lacks something else that C# has, I'd have done that...

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by tedunangst »

brudgers wrote: post #158
mbesto wrote: post #145

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a16z is their lead investor. Which presumptuously means there is definitely a selling price and Microsoft definitely has cash.

A number of big players have the cash...Apple, Google, Oracle. So do sovereign investment funds and Berkshire-Hathaway. Other than FUD, there's nothing pointing to Microsoft and Google makes far more extensive use of Github: https://github.com/google

I like the idea that speculation Microsoft may buy github can only be FUD and not simply speculation.
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