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We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by gokhan »

josteink wrote: post #67
pjmlp wrote: post #51

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You missed the part that TFS is much more than just source control and since TFS 2012 also supports Git.

You mean like. Application Lifecycle Management? ALM? Bug-tracking, release-management and stuff? Which they now will be using Github for? Oh. That's definitely interesting.

HN does not give you clues to understand what's going on in the Enterperise market. So don't judge products based on what you see here. No one talks about SharePoint on HN, for example, but it's really something for the Enterprise.

Just like TFS, and I have seen many Java teams moving in, ditching various expensive products from IBM, HP etc. Team sizes or focus in HN might be different so TFS might be seen as dying, but it's not the case in the field.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by josteink »

taspeotis wrote: post #62
thesimon wrote: post #58

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>We are moving our code to GitHub as well as switching to use git internally But they were using a different tool internally.

Probably TFS, which Microsoft use quite a bit internally [1]. [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudioalm/archive/2013/08/20/t...

> Probably TFS, which Microsoft use quite a bit internally

But seemingly less and less so, especially in the SDK-teams. Which is definitely interesting.

If Microsoft's own SDK-developers don't want to use Microsoft's own source-control and ALM-system, but rather prefers Github, what signals does that send? I would sayed mixed at best.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by pmelendez »

rjbwork wrote: post #74
InclinedPlane wrote: post #59

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pjmlp has it right, but I'll add some further clarifications. One of the most important aspects of Microsoft's success is network effect. People use Windows and Office because other people use Windows and Office. But network effect also works on the development/platform side. Devs write apps in the technologies they know and are comfortable with, and those tend to be the technologies they've used for personal or work…

Under-30 dev here. Been programming in C# for the past 3.5 years now, and loving every minute of it. I find VS and the associated tools be a far more productive and enjoyable experience than the Linux/Unix toolchains I was forced to use in undergrad, and C# to be a completely amazing language. The two warts, for me, are MSBuild (powerful, but obtuse at times, but still better than make) and PowerShell (again, powerfu…

>"Under-30 dev here. Been programming in C# for the past 3.5 years now, and loving every minute of it."

Mid 30's here. I work mostly on C++ but I have to jump into C# code once in a while. I agree that C# is a very productive language and I love how it never gets in your way ("Do you say you don't want to use a common interface for your generics? Use dynamic!").

My only "complaint" is that C# is so indulgent that it gets boring at times, which might actually be a feature.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by josteink »

gokhan wrote: post #81
josteink wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like. Application Lifecycle Management? ALM? Bug-tracking, release-management and stuff? Which they now will be using Github for? Oh. That's definitely interesting.

HN does not give you clues to understand what's going on in the Enterperise market. So don't judge products based on what you see here. No one talks about SharePoint on HN, for example, but it's really something for the Enterprise. Just like TFS, and I have seen many Java teams moving in, ditching various expensive products from IBM, HP etc. Team sizes or focus in HN might be different so TFS might be seen as dying,…

Since most of my work experience is from working at big corps or consultancies, I'm definitely aware of this.

Microsoft has a heap of products and platforms not once mentioned on HN, but which are humongous in the organizations which decides to adapt them: Sharepoint, BizTalk, etc.

But TFS has always been "the" corner-stone for optimal development in the Microsoft-world, when developing according to Microsoft agile/solutions-framework (MSF, etc).

When Microsoft's own SDK teams dismiss their own development tools and platforms like TFS and Codeplex for competing platforms, like Git & Github, it definitely sends out mixed signals.

Anyway you see it, Linus Thorvalds must be pretty happy now. Not only are Microsoft providing tools and source to the Linux-world, they are now also using his tools to develop their own platform.

How things have changed, eh?

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by josteink »

I definitely hope they will blog more about the migration and source-code conversion and how they did it, much like ESR blogged about the Emacs BZR to Git conversion[1].

It would probably be very interesting for customers thinking about migrating from TFS to Git themselves.

[1] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5634

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by sunir »

tankenmate wrote: post #78
SwellJoe wrote: post #35

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They'd have to bid against Google, by this logic, since Go also moved to Github recently.

Sorry I didn't mean to vote you down, my baby daughter hit my hand while I was holding the mouse. I can't seem to find a way change my vote; is there one?

Teach your daughter to hack so she can up and down vote on her own Hacker News account.

Re: We are moving the Roslyn code to GitHub

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Post by aianus »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #71
Stratoscope wrote: post #68

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> Microsoft is about as marmite as you get in software (along with Oracle perhaps)... Sure, I have fond memories of the days when trendy developers would see me using a ThinkPad instead of a MacBook and ask, "Mike, when are you going to move away from the dark side?" Not so much any more. People I talk with seem reasonably impressed with the way Microsoft has been open sourcing .NET and other projects, making Visual…

I find this to be true of younger people who aren't aware of Microsoft's past and don't look at them with the sideways glance the rest of us do. In fact, I find it amazing how many younger people never even heard of their dark side and all the anti-trust movements on two continents.

Apple is more antitrust than Microsoft ever was. Bundling a browser with your OS (while still allowing users to install an alternative) is nothing compared to the restrictions in the iOS app store.
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