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The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Do we care more about student progress or our appearance? We care about both, and we have to. Proposed solutions will have to cater to this reality to have any hope of success. Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests? Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable…

>> Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests? >Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable bare minimum. Why does test-driven development enable the efficient creation of software that works, but the same isn't true of education? For example, asking a student to r…

If your tests are of the form

`assert(complexFunction() == 42)`

then the easiest way to make the test pass is just to return 42. The analogy in education is "teaching to the test". You can get people to recall small specific bits of information for the test without it actually being useful.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo.

education degrees are lower on the IQ scale http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-colle...

I think they are paid about right, given the business model. If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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I don't think there is another profession who's need is so widely advocated for, yet so pathetically enticed. Put some money on education, make it a desirable job, and then watch the world change as talented people try for those positions. Now, just figure out how to get the money committed to education instead of people giving RollsRoyce, Bentley, Ferrari, etc their best years ever.

its the business model. As long as its taxpayer funded, incentives won't be aligned, and you won't see a lot of money in education. A market system would have a lot higher salaries, and attract a lot more investment.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now you're talking about school choice and maybe admission exams, both of which are anathema in US educational politics. As a Euro living in the US I can see why the busing policy implemented following Brown v. Board of Education seemed like such an urgent necessity, but it seems to have ended up as an unworkable mess, with those who can afford it (most of whom are white) sending their kids off to private schools and…

Bussing is stupid, having rich neighborhoods get better schools is more stupid. All schools should get the same. We fund all schools equally, across the board, no questions. The fact that property taxes funded schools IS THE CRIMINAL construction. It sounds democratic, but so does pulling ones self up by their bootstraps. It only cements the class order.

> having rich neighborhoods get better schools is more stupid. All schools should get the same. We fund all schools equally, across the board, no questions.

Schools in poor neighbourhoods needs more money if we want the kids to get an education of similar quality.

The reason being that running a school with students from poor households to a standard that gives the same education as students from rich households costs a lot more money. Some examples (based on my experience in the UK) of the extra costs schools have or may have with lower income families (some of which are covered with extra grants from the local council in the case of the UK, some of which they have to cover from discretionary funds):

* School breakfast or dinners. This is perhaps one of the most vital ones. If you charge for meals in the school, either you need to provide vouchers or some other means to make it accessible to poorer families, or their kids fall behind as a result of some of them not eating through the day. If you don't serve meals in school, including breakfast, you can assume that kids from poor families will perform substantially worse on average. My sons school to their credit chose to prioritize free meals to all students to avoid having to deal with visibly separate treatment of the kids.

* School trips. My sons school asks for a specific "donation" instead of demanding payment whenever possible, again to avoid having to means test and deal with excluding kids from trips because of parents who can't or won't prioritise the cost of the trips. They'll make it very clear that too few paying will lead to cancelled trips, but so far that has never happened, but they do have to regularly dip into discretionary funds to cover shortfalls.

* Families with disabled or special needs kids or disabled carers are more likely to either be low income (as a result of parents with disabilities that reduce their earnings potential) or have stretched finances (as a result of additional costs of care), and so more likely to live in poorer neighbourhoods. Same for families where the parents have all kinds of problems that affect the kids, such as alcohol or dug addiction etc.. This tends to result in substantially higher costs for all kinds of assistance programs for schools in poorer areas.

Even if you cover all of the extra costs, the kids in these families are still at a severe disadvantage on average due to all kinds of other factors (less likely to have role models with high education or that pushes them towards higher education, for example).

Giving kids actual equal education (instead of just trying to equalise access to same quality education) would require massive extra funding to poor neighbourhoods.

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I was surprised that he mentioned the global financial crisis. I think 'too big to fail' was one of the biggest frauds ever committed against society. There is no such thing as too big to fail. I think the 2008 financial crisis was an evolutionary mechanism for society to rid itself of excessive greed among its leaders (natural selection). The bailout was an unnatural intervention and will only serve to propagate the…

This seems a little short-sighted to me. Bailing out the banks was not a question of protecting the banks (who are by no means blameless), it was a question of limiting collateral damage. A large bank failing has the potential to render (literally) millions of innocent people ("mom's and pop's") instantly bankrupt. If a bank fails, there's no way to get your money out. The money simply goes away. Typically banking preferences run in families, so the effects would probably be even greater, with entire families going bankrupt. The ramifications of such a failure would be felt for generations onwards. This is what "too big to fail" means.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #101

> SOL tests are inherently unfair, I regularly see claims that tests are at odds with learning. What I don't understand is how anyone can tell what kids have learned without some sort of test.

Three arguments against standardised tests: 1) As system, schools tend to teach towards the test, at the expense of a diverse education. 2) The tests essentially test how good a student is at doing tests, rather than what they have understood and learned. Children can do brilliantly in the classroom and badly on the test, then be marked as a poor student. 3) The tests are used to categorise the children as they go th…

I don't understand how someone can master a subject yet be unable to answer written questions about it. In my anecdotal 16 years of schooling, I can't recall a single instance of it.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

I just moved from San Francisco, CA to the Washington, DC area. I'm currently staying at my dad's place in Alexandria, VA.

San Francisco has a very good public transit system, at least compared to any other suburb in which I've lived. In San Francisco, I could be most places I cared to be within 30 minutes. There was literally a bus station outside of my apartment window, and I could catch probably a dozen different bus lines within a six block radius, maybe more. I lived without a car for over 5 years in SF, and it was fine.

Alexandria, VA is different. The closest Metro Station a light rail system, is a 20 minute walk by foot, and it has little to no parking. Pretty much anything I want to do is at least a 20 minute walk away. At the moment I can borrow my dad's car, but if I had to walk, my life would be dominated just by trying to get around. Sure, I can survive without a car in Alexandria, VA, but it'd kind of a pain in the ass.

I can't imagine trying to live in a rural area without a car.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo.

education degrees are lower on the IQ scale http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-colle... I think they are paid about right, given the business model. If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).

Workers aren't paid based on their IQ, but on supply and demand.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

#119
post #60

Do we care more about student progress or our appearance? We care about both, and we have to. Proposed solutions will have to cater to this reality to have any hope of success. Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests? Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable…

I'd love to see an educational reform package that focused on several of these pillars. Something like the following:

* Greatly increase teacher pay. Increase it to something like 1.5x or 2x the current pay scale.

* Give greater flexibility to the administration to fire underperforming teachers.

* Install much more robust (and flexible to change over time) measures of teacher success. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded several studies in this area (https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/Documents/empowering-effect...).

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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The American political system is broken. Here is a middle-class family that can barely make it. The GOP harp on about lower taxes and immigration, and the Dems talk about economic equality and healthcare. The ACA helps the middle-class but the political gridlock ensures that the president, or anyone else, can't force through effective change.

Commonly cited are campaign finance and lobbying and polarisation but those are merely the symptoms of the deeper problem which is the US constitution. A messy compromise, the US constitution effectively gives veto to tiny states (Senate seating). Gerrymandering at the state level ensures that safe seats, and worse, incumbents who have to defend themselves from the ideological 'purists' of their own party. Not a recipe for pragmatic government, vide Brownback, Kansas.

I still look forward to the spectacle of the 2016 general but even if Warren were to be the president (a far off prospect, even though she is what the US needs), little real and effective change would come about because she'd be stymied at ever corner. In view of the fundamental alignment of forces political and economic (increasing inequality in both), we can expect a return to a Victorian economy.

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