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The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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If the problem is community, why not take the students/families who really do care (from all the schools in a metropolitan area) and put them all in the same school? That would at least be a start.

Now you're talking about school choice and maybe admission exams, both of which are anathema in US educational politics. As a Euro living in the US I can see why the busing policy implemented following Brown v. Board of Education seemed like such an urgent necessity, but it seems to have ended up as an unworkable mess, with those who can afford it (most of whom are white) sending their kids off to private schools and…

Bussing is stupid, having rich neighborhoods get better schools is more stupid. All schools should get the same. We fund all schools equally, across the board, no questions.

The fact that property taxes funded schools IS THE CRIMINAL construction. It sounds democratic, but so does pulling ones self up by their bootstraps. It only cements the class order.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Great points. This, I think is one of the fundamental problems: --- If parents and local decision-makers really value education (and there is a small portion of the community that does), student and teacher morale would be much different. --- The overall environment matters more than the teacher. We've mentioned it here not too long ago as well. Doesn't matter how fancy the workbooks and new materials or how hard we…

> The overall environment matters more than the teacher. We've mentioned it here not too long ago as well.

For an exploration of this idea, I recommend "Lives on the Boundary" by Mike Rose: http://www.amazon.com/Lives-Boundary-Achievements-Educationa...

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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> SOL tests are inherently unfair, I regularly see claims that tests are at odds with learning. What I don't understand is how anyone can tell what kids have learned without some sort of test.

When I was in school, we took a test in first grade that lasted less than a day, and was probably a screen for learning disabilities. I screwed it up, and my mom had to persuade the school that I didn't need to be in special ed. The teachers had many ways to evaluate student progress: Simply watching students, giving assignments such as worksheets, problems, quizzes, tests, and more elaborate homework in high school. My parents got to see my report card.

So, I have no problem with testing, per se.

Today, I've got two kids in school, and they are inundated with tests. A testing season (preparation followed by one or more test days) can last weeks. Little is learned during that time. Bright kids have already mastered the material on the tests, and are bored out of their skulls. Dull kids are getting drilled in a remarkably narrow range of topics. One of my kids received, as homework, a worksheet on "test taking skills" to review with her parents, consisting of ways to improve her odds slightly on questions that she couldn't answer.

The tests cover math and reading, though a new regime of even more tests may change that, by imposing narrow set of easily memorized factoids on the science curriculum. An effect is to give short shrift to other subjects such as music and just playing outside.

The sheer amount of testing, and the stakes involved, distort what is taught at school. And I don't think it gives parents any actionable information that they couldn't have learned by talking to the teacher or looking at a report card. If kids are in a dysfunctional school, they probably can't escape from it. The state (WI) has a charter school system in one region, but the charter schools perform no better than the public schools, and discriminate against kids with disabilities. Oddly enough, in its first attempt to expand the charter school system to the entire state, the legislature wrote a bill that would have exempted charter schools from the same "accountability" imposed on public schools.

If you work at a large corporation, as I do, think about the quantitative goals that you are given for your job. At one place where I worked, purchasing bought a bunch of stuff because they were measured on getting price breaks from suppliers, and manufacturing threw it away because they were measured on inventory. High stakes metric driven management of complex organizations creates a web of perverse incentives.

/rant

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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>>You cannot get quality teachers in the education system without adequate compensation, period. In Chicago we tried paying them more and didn't see much improvement.

Tried paying the current teachers more, or undergoing a concentrated effort to evaluate current teachers against a baseline and aggressively court and hire at competitive wages teachers who have a track record of being better than the teachers that you have at that baseline? I ask 'cause while I know nothing about Chicago, I've found that what you said always comes up with regard to the former.

You can't just fix something with more money. Analogously, it would be like fixing a soup with too much salt by pouring in more water and sour cream, might work, might not.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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I know this is easy to say from abroad but something that keeps coming to my mind when reading these statements is: what is needed are (also) teachers with the guts to act freely and teach what they deem necessary DESPITE whatever the government says and scraping the bureaucracy. Be not afraid of being fired.

Yes, very easy to say but, as I see it, the only weapon against the Leviathan is your conscience.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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I've had great teachers and I've had terrible teachers. I don't think any teacher sets out to be one of the bad teachers, I think the amount of things teachers go through (low pay, unnecessary hoops to jump through, etc) just grinds a person down.

Maybe they don't set out to be bad teachers. But the way it is set up now, education does seem to get a fair share of people looking for an easy path. Not sure this is the best group to be educating our youth.

You get what you pay for.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo.

College-educated means nothing unless you are talking about Africa. With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch...

> With all due respect, people got into education is not really the brightest bunch...

Is that grammar meant to be ironic? :|

Anyway, broadly demeaning a giant group of people is offensive, and the suggestion that most teachers are not bright is ridiculous. Many (most) teachers are very intelligent people, enthusiastic about education and greatly desire to give their students the best possible education they can. Unfortunately in America we have such little respect (and pay) for teachers, and the job itself has so much baggage associated with it (as this blog post discusses) that the best and brightest are often discouraged from becoming teachers.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #55
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tried paying the current teachers more, or undergoing a concentrated effort to evaluate current teachers against a baseline and aggressively court and hire at competitive wages teachers who have a track record of being better than the teachers that you have at that baseline? I ask 'cause while I know nothing about Chicago, I've found that what you said always comes up with regard to the former.

You can't just fix something with more money. Analogously, it would be like fixing a soup with too much salt by pouring in more water and sour cream, might work, might not.

Yes, that was my point, thank you for repeating it.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Do we care more about student progress or our appearance?

We care about both, and we have to. Proposed solutions will have to cater to this reality to have any hope of success.

Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests?

Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable bare minimum.

Why can’t we shift our focus to critical thinking and relevant educational experiences?

Because while great teachers exist, they are sitting on top of a pile of good, decent and bad teachers that largely can't be fired or forced to improve. Kids in those teachers' classrooms need to come out with some bare minimum of quantifiable education.

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