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Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

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Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#41

No it's not. It's strength training for your ability to direct your attention. Sleep is the garbage collection.

> It's strength training for your ability to direct your attention.

That's an initial, low level in meditation. Not meditation per se, more like getting your mind ready for it. It may take years to go beyond it, which is why a lot of people confuse it with meditation proper.

There is a point where your state of consciousness in meditation combines attributes of the waking state, the dream state, and the dreamless sleep state. When that happens, meditation indeed becomes a GC for the mind. But then sleep becomes optional, among other unusual occurrences.

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that if introspection has such harmful side effects for a person that means the person's mental state was already in an artificial and damaged state. I think in most cases it is better to begin that introspection process and endure some temporary pain in order to work through the root issue rather than trying to put it off by avoiding it. In other words, avoiding introspection won't solve the problem.

Which is why it is recommended that, beyond a certain point of initial expertise, you seek a "master" in whatever branch of practice you're comfortable with. It's actually pretty thoroughly documented in all the Buddhist commentaries that people can have a very shitty time with meditation.

Deep in essentially anyone's subconscious there's a lot of garbage. Sometimes meditation kicks it up a bit. If done properly, it's a clean-up.

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#44

Just a note - meditation can have negative side effects: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/the-dark-k... This article, which has been submitted to HN before, investigates several severe reactions to meditation and the nonexistent research in, or even interest in researching, its downsides. Having a negative reaction to meditation is not surprising, if you think about it. Deep introspection can lead to…

Haven't the Buddhists who invented it, always been aware that you can have bad trips? I recall reading a koan along the lines of: "Master, I see hell, demons torment me, I'm burning!" "It's a distraction. Carry on sitting." "Master, I see heaven, filled with love and bliss!" "It's a distraction. Carry on sitting." (heavily paraphrased from decades old memory)

They do mention the Buddhist perspective in the article and quote from / link to a blog post by Shinzen Young:

> Within the Buddhist tradition, [this] is sometimes referred to as 'falling into the Pit of the Void.' It entails an authentic and irreversible insight into Emptiness and No Self. Instead of being empowering and fulfilling … it turns into the opposite. In a sense, it's Enlightenment's Evil Twin. This is serious but still manageable through intensive … guidance under a competent teacher. In some cases, it takes months or even years to fully metabolize, but in my experience the results are almost always highly positive.

He goes on to add:

> If we don't describe the possibility of Dark Night, then we leave people without a context should it occur. On the other hand, if we do discuss it, people get scared and assume it's going to happen to them, even if we point out (as I just did), that it's relatively infrequent. So the take-home message is:

> 1. Don't worry, it's probably not going to happen to you.

> 2. Even if it does, that's not necessarily a problem.

The post is worth reading in its entirety. It also mentions software that "simulates an intricate tailored meditation [for] you."

http://shinzenyoung.blogspot.com/2011_11_01_archive.html

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

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I don't really meditate, but one thing I've found helpful is to make it a point to not purposefully distract myself from mindful thought. The truth is that we all have plenty of time for mindful thinking, even if we don't actually set aside time to sit with eyes closed in a "meditation" state. Think about how much time is spent just sitting on a train, or in line doing nothing. The instant impulse most of the time in…

I don't doubt that this is useful to you, but the phrase "mindful thinking" makes me wonder what exactly you mean. "Mindfulness" as used in insight/mindfulness meditation / vipassana and similar schools of mediation does not refers to thinking about something. Rather it refers to detached but focused observation (though you may observe your thoughts). The point is to instead of "following a train of thought", to get…

It's one way of thinking of what learning is. Some learning just is experience. Simplifying the experience, using the mind, can sometimes make the learning more complex than it needs be.

Choosing to make the distinction between the thought stream, the external world, and the observant self is one way to think. It is already on a layer of abstract conceptualization that is more complicated than it need be.

I just like letting go of the idea of what everyone else says learning, experiencing, and thinking is, and just let everything flow. That's when I feel most comfortable. When I let go of 'a way I think I should be' and I know instead 'I have always been the way I should be. It feels like a conscious jerk in thought when you remember to stop guiding yourself, and you just know you are already there.

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

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I don't really meditate, but one thing I've found helpful is to make it a point to not purposefully distract myself from mindful thought. The truth is that we all have plenty of time for mindful thinking, even if we don't actually set aside time to sit with eyes closed in a "meditation" state. Think about how much time is spent just sitting on a train, or in line doing nothing. The instant impulse most of the time in…

I don't doubt that this is useful to you, but the phrase "mindful thinking" makes me wonder what exactly you mean. "Mindfulness" as used in insight/mindfulness meditation / vipassana and similar schools of mediation does not refers to thinking about something. Rather it refers to detached but focused observation (though you may observe your thoughts). The point is to instead of "following a train of thought", to get…

You are correct, what I am calling "mindful thinking" is not really meditation in the form you are describing, hence why I said in my grandparent post that I don't really meditate. To explain more thoroughly there are two different techniques I make use of:

The first is an outward facing approach, where I try to clear my mind of all inner thoughts and focus completely on the external sensations I am experiencing right now. So for example when entering this mode of thought I focus on putting all thoughts and concerns out of my mind and instead focus solely on the sensation of wind blowing on my skin as I'm walking along, or the sound of birds, or the colors of objects around me. It is hard to explain but by focusing in this state it is as if the colors are brighter, the sounds more vivid, basically all sensations enhanced as I am paying attention more closely with full focus. It is as if the world was a YouTube video playing at 240p and suddenly it switched to an HD stream. The result is an intense feeling of satisfaction in my existence and place in reality.

The other technique I use is to focus entirely inward on identifying what I am feeling or thinking right now. In this state of self awareness I focus on acknowledging and identifying my inner feelings objectively and thinking deeply about where they are coming from, whether they are coming from opinions unsubstantiated by fact, or whether they are rational, etc. I find it helpful to imagine my inner emotions as if they were someone else's so that I can properly see them in the right scope. This is especially useful for dealing with feelings of anger, frustration, or stress. This technique is the exact opposite of the first in that I could walk a couple miles and not really notice anything around me because of the internal focus I had.

Both techniques are similar in that they put away all non essential distractions, and non productive thought in favor of enhanced focus on the here and now and my own existence and place in reality. However, the first is focused on where I am externally, while the second is focused on what I am internally.

At any rate, I find that both techniques are useful to avoid getting wrapped up in a distracted state of non-awareness of self and the real world. I feel that especially working in tech it is easy to become so focused on computer code, and/or distracted by the dopamine triggers from Instagram, Reddit, Netflix, video games, and other distractions that you never stop to think through your own internal thoughts, or fully experience the reality around you.

But by spending time each day to focus on regrounding myself in both my true external reality, and my true internal state it helps me to keep these outside distractions from taking over my life completely and causing me to waste my life on nonessential things that in my opinion don't bring true happiness, just distraction from unhappiness.

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#47
I like the analogy as a hook and lead in but a bit disappointed to find the actual content a bit lacking, but perhaps that's the point?

Would be helpful to include a brief summary of the three different practises of Vipassana or insight medidation as a whole just to provide an introduction.

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#48

No it's not. It's strength training for your ability to direct your attention. Sleep is the garbage collection.

To each their own, for me it's neither garbage collection nor sleep. It's having an organized todo list that's been prioritized.

> It's having an organized todo list that's been prioritized.

So... defragmentation? :)

Re: Meditation Is Garbage Collection for Your Mind

#49

Meditation is one of those things that people aren't allowed to not like. If you say you don't like it or it's not for you, you get overwhelmed and drowned out by the echo chamber.

It makes me really wonder about the "hacker" community that such obvious bunk keeps showing up here. Hackers are skeptical.

Yeah would love to hear more about what you mean :-)
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