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Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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If Github is truly blocked, that could be devastating for outsourced work, on both sides of the equation.

Those who use Github knows how to bypass the ban.

I use github, and off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you how to bypass it.

Is it dns based? I guess you could manually set up the correct IP addresses locally for the host names. Other than that, I'd have to read.

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There is a case to be made for the idea that America-hosted, America-doctrine birthed, websites, do not jive with everybody on the planet. The idea that Github is beyond reproach and blocking it makes no sense is superficially tempting, until you realise that the vast, vast majority of projects on it are America-led. Why is it so surprising to block a culture which is permeating the planet, to the detriment of other…

>>kind of barrier to the Americanisation of the planet, including via its dominant websites, is such a bad thing India is a democracy, if they want to block it for 'cultural' reasons they should get the people's approval to block it for 'cultural' reasons. Right now they are acting on the wrong mandate. We are most likely looking at a case of gross detachment from the constituents they serve.

That is true, but you must also realise the ability of the world's greatest power to influence thinking across the planet via the dominance of its corporations, institutions, and yes, dominant sites. In this situation, democracy is maleable by capital.

And I am not saying these blockages are good. Only that we should always question who is served by all this openness.

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post #148
post #58

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He has a point, you know. His claims are: 1) IS is not a terrorist organization, it is an army. 2) IS is better, or at least not worse, than existing middle east governments. 1 seems pretty obvious to me. Sure, they are terrorizing the local population, but lots of governments do that without being labeled terrorists. 2 is more difficult to swallow. Many ME governments are pure garbage, but IS looks a lot worse.

Reports from experts in the region indicate that, as crazy as it sounds, (2) is correct. ISIS has built up an excellent reputation for stamping out corruption and running efficient social services and police forces within poor communities. Their horrifying acts of murder and collective punishment are often unrelated to the simple business of day-to-day-life. Think about living in a poor town with ongoing struggles wi…

... and cleans out the criminals, ousts the corrupt autocracy, efficiently runs services and healthcare, vaccinates your kids...

Yeah, it might be good for a while. Not sure.

In the long run, I don't think they're going to be any more effective than what they replaced.

When the body politic (i.e. nearly everyone) supports the rule of law with a transparent governing process (which includes publishing budgets, new laws, etc. and may also include relatively free and fair elections), that will reduce corruption in the long term.

Otherwise, I think it is inevitable that those currently in power will A) try hard to stay in power, and B) use the perks of office to benefit themselves.

Not that I expect many people in ISIS territory to be having these kinds of discussions... they're all concerned about shorter term issues (like not getting killed).

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who use Github knows how to bypass the ban.

I use github, and off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you how to bypass it. Is it dns based? I guess you could manually set up the correct IP addresses locally for the host names. Other than that, I'd have to read.

VPN pipe most likely. At least, that's what I would do.

My guess is someone will set up a proxy service specifically for this.

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post #83
post #32

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That makes no sense. Conservative groups are all about outsourcing. "dey took'r jeebs" groups are complaining about immigrants in the US.

The anti-immigration crowd are the conservative working class. Like it or not, immigrants are actually coming and displacing them. Where I disagree with them is their solution to the issue. The correct solution I think would be to level the playing field by making illegal immigrants citizens who pay taxes. The same conservative masterminds which influence the working class to be upset about immigration, are the ones…

Don't you want those Indian developers living in the U.S.?

At least then they would be spending their U.S. based income here.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Oh-ho! Security is evidently high on the Indian government's priority list... the Joint Secretary for the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas, a Mr Shri P. Kalyanasundaram, has an email address at Yahoo for official correspondence! [1]

I'm wondering how long it will be though before the Wikipedia article gets updated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_India

1. http://pgportal.gov.in/pgo.aspx

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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post #115
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who use Github knows how to bypass the ban.

I don't think it's helpful to consider this ban a non-issue because it's easy to bypass. It's easy to bypass this time, next time it may be a bit harder, depending on what the government orders ISP's. And there probably will be "next time", depending on the effects of all this. Also, someone else here asked about legality of bypassing the ban, that is a good question I'd like to see answered, even though I think we a…

This slippery slope is exactly what happened in China.

- First, they block a few websites: no big deal, I'll just use a VPN.

- Then they block OpenVPN default port: no big deal, I'll just use another port or IPSec.

- Then international connections slow down to a crawl: no big deal, maybe they're not throttling but just having capacity issues, let's wait a bit see if it gets better.

Then one day your realize that what was at first a minor inconvenience is now wasting hours of your life and killing your productivity.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#200

There is a case to be made for the idea that America-hosted, America-doctrine birthed, websites, do not jive with everybody on the planet. The idea that Github is beyond reproach and blocking it makes no sense is superficially tempting, until you realise that the vast, vast majority of projects on it are America-led. Why is it so surprising to block a culture which is permeating the planet, to the detriment of other…

I'd understand the argument if GitHub was an opinion news site of some kind, but the fact is that it's a place where code is shared, code used to create software.

GitHub is a US company but so are many others. To say github is "pushing" to Americanize the world and trump local communities is either foolish or a complete misunderstanding of what github does.

I don't mean to be a jerk but you're really missing the point here and barking up the wrong tree.

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