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Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by TylerE »

nicksergeant wrote: post #70
Xeoncross wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The websites were blocked for hosting content that is pro terrorist group ISIS and not cooperating with government investigations , officials said." For some strange reason I'm inclined to believe you rather than India's government officials.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no problem whatsoever with removing offending content from Snipt. I regularly remove and ban users who post illegal or otherwise inappropriate content on the site. If they contact me, I'll happily remove anything even remotely "pro terrorist group ISIS", but as mentioned, I've received no such requests (and I don't proactively review private snippets for offensive content unless it's reported to me).

That may not be in your best interest, lefally. Pro-active moderation makes it very hard to argue safe harbor status.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#92

Post by nicksergeant »

TylerE wrote: post #91
nicksergeant wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no problem whatsoever with removing offending content from Snipt. I regularly remove and ban users who post illegal or otherwise inappropriate content on the site. If they contact me, I'll happily remove anything even remotely "pro terrorist group ISIS", but as mentioned, I've received no such requests (and I don't proactively review private snippets for offensive content unless it's reported to me).

That may not be in your best interest, lefally. Pro-active moderation makes it very hard to argue safe harbor status.

How so?

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by [deleted] »

milesskorpen wrote: post #68
happyscrappy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are terrorizing local populations for a political goal. They are not just fighting battles they are slaughtering civilians into compliance. How is that not terrorism? Edit: He also claimed that it would be better if ISIS was in charge of the area. That is quite ridiculous.

By that definition, ANY fighting would be terrorism. Was the Vietnam war terrorism? We definitely terrified some members of the local population. Were the actions by Japan or Germany in WWII terrorism? By some definitions of terrorism, all of the above would count as terrorism. At that point, the term seems to be pretty useless.

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Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by SixSigma »

mullingitover wrote: post #82
milesskorpen wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that definition, ANY fighting would be terrorism. Was the Vietnam war terrorism? We definitely terrified some members of the local population. Were the actions by Japan or Germany in WWII terrorism? By some definitions of terrorism, all of the above would count as terrorism. At that point, the term seems to be pretty useless.

Germany, Japan, the UK and the US (among others) all did things in WWII that count as terrorism, and no, the term isn't useless. The textbook definition, "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims" is exactly what was happening in the war, although I would add the caveat that it's violence and intimidation against civilians. Using violence and intimidation against enemy troops is just regu…

So beheading Lee Rigby on the streets of the UK was regular warfare?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#95

Post by jaekwon »

hangonhn wrote: post #90
happyscrappy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are terrorizing local populations for a political goal. They are not just fighting battles they are slaughtering civilians into compliance. How is that not terrorism? Edit: He also claimed that it would be better if ISIS was in charge of the area. That is quite ridiculous.

Terrorism is the use of mass terror against a civilian population you don't control to reach a political goal. Terrorizing a population is simply oppression and governments have been doing this for as long as there has been governments (Nazis, Soviets, Chinese Communists, etc. are all modern examples of this.)

Like the threat of a nuclear bomb? Not just NK but Fat Man too.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#96

Post by mikeash »

happyscrappy wrote: post #61
milesskorpen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying that ISIS isn't a terrorist organization doesn't mean that user is defending the organization. Terrorist has become a catch-all term that is used way too broadly (seems to cover any armed force motivated by Islam for many people). ISIS can be an awful organization without consisting of terrorists.

They are terrorizing local populations for a political goal. They are not just fighting battles they are slaughtering civilians into compliance. How is that not terrorism? Edit: He also claimed that it would be better if ISIS was in charge of the area. That is quite ridiculous.

Irrelevant to the question at hand. ISIS may or may not be a terrorist organization depending on how you define it, but arguing the "may not" side is not "defend[ing] ISIS."

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#97

Post by oasisbob »

TylerE wrote: post #91
nicksergeant wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no problem whatsoever with removing offending content from Snipt. I regularly remove and ban users who post illegal or otherwise inappropriate content on the site. If they contact me, I'll happily remove anything even remotely "pro terrorist group ISIS", but as mentioned, I've received no such requests (and I don't proactively review private snippets for offensive content unless it's reported to me).

That may not be in your best interest, lefally. Pro-active moderation makes it very hard to argue safe harbor status.

With regards to DMCA, 512(m) seems applicable.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by mikeash »

kartikkumar wrote: post #20

Ah that explains it! Haven't been able to push to Github ever since stepping off the plane in Mumbai. Strange thing is that the website works off-and-on. Pushing results in connection refused though. There's also been ZERO information/news provided by the ISP (MTNL) in this regard. Absolute shame that a blanket ban like this is applied. It has a profound effect on everyday activities unrelated to the original reason…

It's crazy. They're substantially impacting their competitiveness in an important industry, just so they can make a futile attempt to silence something that hardly matters. You're small fish, but add up the impact on millions of similar small fish in India and it's a big problem.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#99

Post by SixSigma »

happyscrappy wrote: post #75
grandalf wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. His point is well stated too, and ironically the grandparent in this thread fell victim to the mode of thought the author of the linked comment cautions against.

Armies do not melt into the civilian population at the first sign of trouble.

They most certainly do.
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