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Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by laumars »

mfisher87 wrote: post #11
cryptoz wrote: post #6

Google's handling of Android bugs is unpleasant and difficult to swallow. The QA seems minimal and little or no attention is paid to user filed bugs. The barometer on the Nexus 5 is still broken after a year+ of software updates. Infuriating. The bug with hundreds of stars is marked obsolete! The barometer is still broken. I'd like to debug and fix it but other things have priority, and I don't feel confident that if…

Most major companies, to me, seem to be following Apple's example and forcing a shorter support lifecycle for each device, expecting users to simply replace their "obsolete" device with the newest one.

This was the standard practice since before Apple. eg I used to upgrade my Sony Erricson handset every 12 months.

In fact ironically, these days many people upgrade less frequently because network providers are only selling contracts for 18/24 months rather than the 12 months they were 10 years previously.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by hga »

swatow wrote: post #175
hga wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Echoes of Jamie Zawinski "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" software development model? ( http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html ) Not quite the same thing, but Google and company sure look to believe they have better things to do....

Your post reminds me of how silly the way our society protects certain categories is. "Attention-Deficit Teenegers" could be viewed as offensive to some, as it uses a medical diagnosis as a pejorative. Perhaps the author could argue that they are referring to typical teenage behavior, and not ADD, but that would to me be a completely ridiculous and artificial distinction. So either we can't make fun of stereotypical…

Your post is a bit silly in that you're talking about bourgeois truth, when revolutionary truth is what governs the part of "society" you're referring to. Important person makes bad ethnic or medical condition jokes? No problem, he's advancing the causes of the "revolution". Desire to trash an adversary, or just revel in your SJW power to damage or destroy at a whim? Take something innocent like this and make a felony jaywalking case of it.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by p_l »

umustbjoking wrote: post #70
jspaetzel wrote: post #37

I'm not sure if you guys actually even looked at what these requests were but most of them are irrelevant and rightly so... obsolete/irrelevant features. To choose one particular example that stood out to me from the first page with 198 stars: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1140 I wont even get started on how much information this is lacking for it to be actually executed. The point being that mos…

Why look so far down the list? https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82 Bug 82. Number one on the list. Been open 6 years. Patch offered and integrated into CyanogenMod for years. Y u no integrate the patch Google?

I think the real issue is that nobody[1] really cares about ad-hoc networking, especially in anything linux related. I recall times when NetworkManager team, back then the only "nice" tool for wifi, outright claimed they don't ever care about ad-hoc (or even static IP).

Similarly, barely anything appears to support ad-hoc, and I am not sure if many current users recall that it exists at all…

[1] an obvious hyperbole, but that's the feeling I get

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

#194

Post by allendoerfer »

TheDong wrote: post #179
allendoerfer wrote: post #61

Enterprises are able to pay huge maintenance fees. Single consumers are not and game theory teaches us, that they are unable to unite to get it (free rider problem). So I fear, that we need stronger consumer protection for software products. I do not know the situation in the US, but in the EU we have a mandated 2 year warranty for almost every product with very few sensible exceptions (food and the like). We need th…

This cannot work in this case. The software is not what is being sold; it's the hardware. The software is free. Let me paint a slightly sillier picture; imagine your law existed and one man wrote a small toy project in his free time 5 years ago... some company (e.g. Samsung) starts shipping it as part of an appliance they sell. If there are bugs in the software then is the original man obligated to fix them? Is he br…

You realize, that this is also the case for physical goods? If Bosch ships a shitty part to VW and VW sells it to consumers, VW has to replace or repair it and VWs lawyers try to get something back from Bosch.

So if Google ships shitty software to Samsung or Samsung uses free shitty software, but sells a device, claiming it has a barometer, which does not work due to shitty software, Samsung has to replace the device or repair the device in this case through a software update.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by Mikeb85 »

bookwormAT wrote: post #188
madeofpalk wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like how if anyone wants to purchase a Kindle book on the iPad, they can do it via Safari (they could make it more convenient by pinning it to the home screen as well)

Actually, no. Being able to purchase a book over a web browser and installing a native application store on your device are very different things. I think you can argue that a browser itself is an app store (you download and execute (web-)apps with it). But Apple does not allow the installation of different browser engines, so you can still not install an app store on your device.

To my mom, it comes down to this:

She has an Android phone, with which she can buy books through the Kindle app (without messing with a website).

She has an iPad, on which she can't buy books through the Kindle app, and she does have to go through a browser to their website.

To her, the Android experience is better because of this (she reads a lot).

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

#196

Post by hrktb »

tracker1 wrote: post #183
hrktb wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bduerst also mentionned updates that "almost bricked" his phone. I think the standards for "almost bricked" and "unusable" are incredibly low in this comment section. I still have an iPhone4S in a drawer; it's visibly slower than when it was under iOS6 and even compared to a 5S it's night and day, but compared to other middle range android phones that's still decent. Side to side with a Moto G for instance, it's basi…

The moto g didn't cost over $1160 over the course of two years (partly for amortized monthly costs, plus higher costs for the plan)... moto g on, for example Simple Mobile is $40/month plus the cost of the phone. Pricing may be slightly different, but when I compared when I got my N4 a couple years ago, the plans I was looking at for my phone would have been around $70-90/month or more, with any iPhone, plus the init…

Why does the data plan matter ?

The Moto G is under 250 unlocked and the first gen is one year old. The 4S went for a bit less than 700, is now 3 years old and resells for roughly 200. I don't think comparing the performances of the two under the most recent OSes available is biased.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

#197

Post by kristianp »

digi_owl wrote: post #129
colechristensen wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary reason Microsoft ever attained and kept its business is backwards and broad compatibility.

Yep. It became a real shit storm when they changed the driver system somewhere around Vista/7 and people found they could no longer use their old(-ish) printer with their new computer. Then again, that same backwards compatibility has been a major contributor to all the security issues over the years.

Wasn't that because of the switch to 64bit? A lot of older printers didn't have 64 bit drivers.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

#198

Post by swatow »

hga wrote: post #192
swatow wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post reminds me of how silly the way our society protects certain categories is. "Attention-Deficit Teenegers" could be viewed as offensive to some, as it uses a medical diagnosis as a pejorative. Perhaps the author could argue that they are referring to typical teenage behavior, and not ADD, but that would to me be a completely ridiculous and artificial distinction. So either we can't make fun of stereotypical…

Your post is a bit silly in that you're talking about bourgeois truth, when revolutionary truth is what governs the part of "society" you're referring to. Important person makes bad ethnic or medical condition jokes? No problem, he's advancing the causes of the "revolution". Desire to trash an adversary, or just revel in your SJW power to damage or destroy at a whim? Take something innocent like this and make a felon…

Thanks for getting it. Interesting how there are not replies other than downvotes, even though my post wasn't phrased in an inflammatory way.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tracker1 »

hrktb wrote: post #196
tracker1 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moto g didn't cost over $1160 over the course of two years (partly for amortized monthly costs, plus higher costs for the plan)... moto g on, for example Simple Mobile is $40/month plus the cost of the phone. Pricing may be slightly different, but when I compared when I got my N4 a couple years ago, the plans I was looking at for my phone would have been around $70-90/month or more, with any iPhone, plus the init…

Why does the data plan matter ? The Moto G is under 250 unlocked and the first gen is one year old. The 4S went for a bit less than 700, is now 3 years old and resells for roughly 200. I don't think comparing the performances of the two under the most recent OSes available is biased.

One is a new device, the other is used. Comparing them when they were new would be where I was talking about.. even today I'd suggest a moto-g over a 4S unless you have other apple hardware already.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by gcb0 »

sgnelson wrote: post #156
hga wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Echoes of Jamie Zawinski "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" software development model? ( http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html ) Not quite the same thing, but Google and company sure look to believe they have better things to do....

In my experience, google has _never_ had good customer support/relations, unless you're currently paying google for the product.

heh. you must have some inside contacts of you get good support being a paying customer even...
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