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Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by madeofpalk »

maccard wrote: post #149
allendoerfer wrote: post #61

Enterprises are able to pay huge maintenance fees. Single consumers are not and game theory teaches us, that they are unable to unite to get it (free rider problem). So I fear, that we need stronger consumer protection for software products. I do not know the situation in the US, but in the EU we have a mandated 2 year warranty for almost every product with very few sensible exceptions (food and the like). We need th…

> Related to that, double or triple the warranty periods. I'm not convinced that this solves anything. When you buy a 50 euro/dollar vacuum do you expect it to have the same life expectancy as the 500 dollar vacuum made with higher quality parts? If the company is required to provide a 6 year warranty for a machine that they estimate to last 2 years, they will simply stop producing the cheaper vacuums, meaning everyo…

That's why Australian consumer law says that things should remain working for a 'reasonable' amount of time.

The law makes distinctions between a manufacturers warranty (e.g. Apple says it's devices come with a 12 months warranty, which is true and legal.) and, and the manufacturers/retails obligation to resolve defects (Apple will repair/replace devices for free even after that 12 months).

The law is purposefully vague around this (I believe it says products should last for a reasonable period of time, depending on it's price and perceived quality), and different retailers/manufacturers honour this in different ways.

This lead to some interesting situations, like Apple covering mobile devices for 24 months since purchase OR last repair/replace date, so it's actually possible to get infinite warranty on a device if you get to replace every 24 months.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by bitmystic »

fleitz wrote: post #146
yeukhon wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My iPad 2 [edited] still able to get the latest update from Apple, although that iPad shows lags running the latest iOS (probably because of the new UI). I think the major problem with Android is the unstoppable fragmentation. With low-end and high-end devices born every quarter, I find QA a nightmare. On the other end, if a bug can't be fixed after a year on a flagship device like Nexus 5 means there is something wr…

iPad 1 only supports iOS 5

I have an iPad 1 and there are no updates beyond 5.1.1

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tracker1 »

hrktb wrote: post #161
bad_user wrote: post #141

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My Nexus 4 (released Nov 2012) has officially received the Lollipop upgrade and is working very well. I barely have reasons to replace it. Apple does indeed a better job at supporting older devices, however new iOS releases are basically unusable on devices older than 2 years. I have for example a 2-year old iPad 3 and iOS 8 is usable on it, but for iPhone 4S or IPad 2 the upgrade turned usable devices into unusable…

Bduerst also mentionned updates that "almost bricked" his phone. I think the standards for "almost bricked" and "unusable" are incredibly low in this comment section. I still have an iPhone4S in a drawer; it's visibly slower than when it was under iOS6 and even compared to a 5S it's night and day, but compared to other middle range android phones that's still decent. Side to side with a Moto G for instance, it's basi…

The moto g didn't cost over $1160 over the course of two years (partly for amortized monthly costs, plus higher costs for the plan)... moto g on, for example Simple Mobile is $40/month plus the cost of the phone. Pricing may be slightly different, but when I compared when I got my N4 a couple years ago, the plans I was looking at for my phone would have been around $70-90/month or more, with any iPhone, plus the initial out of pocket... compared to a moto g out of pocket today, that's a lot more.

That's quite a big difference. I've been pretty happy with my Nexus 4, and hoping to get a full third year out of it... since the Nexus 5 isn't a huge bump, and the N6 is way out of the ballpark on pricing imho. I've been recommending the Moto G LTE for most people lately... it's a usable phone without a lot of extra monthly expense.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tdkl »

mfisher87 wrote: post #8
gcb0 wrote: post #3

all my bugs from android 2.3 (still heavily used in the us and out) up to android 4.2 were closed as obsolete. several are somewhat fixed on 5.0 (most by removing the feature) but nothing about support even nexus devices from 2.5 years ago. 3 were security ones confirmed by a few comments. I've been getting obsolete emails on my low profile bugs since November all the way to Dec 25... Google just gave up. i think nob…

I started seeing obsolete emails early this month for a bug I've been tracking: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8839 It's extremely frustrating to have an issue thread full of agreeing constructive comments from users marked obsolete with no comment from the developers, when the issue is still annoying many users. It definitely gives the impression that Google gave up or does not care about users.

This isn't a bug, it's a feature for indication that an user has an alarm set, so it minimizes the possibility of going off at unexpected time, the user wasn't aware of. Imagine if having mobile connection indicator wouldn't be shown because someone would say it wastes space, resulting in possible charges.

Hiding things from users isn't exactly good UX.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tdkl »

nailer wrote: post #55
jspaetzel wrote: post #37

I'm not sure if you guys actually even looked at what these requests were but most of them are irrelevant and rightly so... obsolete/irrelevant features. To choose one particular example that stood out to me from the first page with 198 stars: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1140 I wont even get started on how much information this is lacking for it to be actually executed. The point being that mos…

Conversely, the first one I saw was support for calendar attachments (.ics files). Which: a) GMail sends b) Google Experience devices still can't recieve

They actually open them in the browser now, at least it worked with Chrome, who imported the .ics with Google Calendar website. Still hilariously clunky though and surely confusing to the user.

But hey at least dat Material design amirite ? /s

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tdkl »

MichaelEGR wrote: post #60

Closing the very recent and ongoing with no hope in sight BLE bugs which are very real and heinous is BS: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=58381 BLE stack is even worse in Lollipop.

This comment exactly explains the frustration : https://code.google.com/p/android-developer-preview/issues/d...

Hardware supports it, but Google for some unknown reason just disables software support, it did it in the past with 4.3 BLE support and apparently nothing changed.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by LunaSea »

tluyben2 wrote: post #170
LunaSea wrote: post #115

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With updates like Yosemite you now get a almost daily crash thanks to Apple. Maverick was perfectly fine.

On old hardware right? No crashes so far here on a new air.

Nope MBP is one year old.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by bookwormAT »

madeofpalk wrote: post #180
fpgeek wrote: post #104

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Say what now? I just opened my Kindle app and the store hasn't gone anywhere. Are you maybe thinking of Google blocking Amazon from including the Amazon Appstore in the Amazon shopping app? That's a different issue and, more importantly, that doesn't really affect what's possible on Android, just how convenient it is. After all, anyone who wants to can download the store Google blocked from Amazon directly.

Just like how if anyone wants to purchase a Kindle book on the iPad, they can do it via Safari (they could make it more convenient by pinning it to the home screen as well)

Actually, no. Being able to purchase a book over a web browser and installing a native application store on your device are very different things.

I think you can argue that a browser itself is an app store (you download and execute (web-)apps with it). But Apple does not allow the installation of different browser engines, so you can still not install an app store on your device.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by madeofpalk »

bookwormAT wrote: post #188
madeofpalk wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like how if anyone wants to purchase a Kindle book on the iPad, they can do it via Safari (they could make it more convenient by pinning it to the home screen as well)

Actually, no. Being able to purchase a book over a web browser and installing a native application store on your device are very different things. I think you can argue that a browser itself is an app store (you download and execute (web-)apps with it). But Apple does not allow the installation of different browser engines, so you can still not install an app store on your device.

I understand what you're saying, technically they are different things.

But not to my mother.

I would guess (and only guess, I haven't tried to look for any numbers) that the percentage of people who go out and install an alternative app store, let alone Amazon's, is quite small (especially once you take out the HN audience)

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by baq »

cryptoz wrote: post #93
baq wrote: post #86

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does pressurenet even work? i can't find any news about it, the site ( http://pressurenet.io/ ) is down for at least a couple of weeks and it looks like nobody else is using it since my map is always empty (which may be an artifact of the site being down). all this is a little bit disheartening.

Hi, yes pressurenet is working! We've had some DNS issues, perhaps you could try if http://pressurenet.cumulonimbus.ca and that might work. As for your map being empty, that sounds like a bug, perhaps related to the DNS error I mentioned. Thanks for the report.

thanks! glad to hear that. unfortunately, pressurenet.cumulonimbus.ca also does not resolve for me.
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