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Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by duskwuff »

poopchute wrote: post #68
ksk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people complain is because iOS updates are a horrible kind of bait and switch. You update the OS because you think its awesome, but are unable to downgrade when you find that in reality, its slow and bloated. The most infuriating thing in all of this is that my iPhone 4S is STILL a fast device. The CPU hasn't shrunk since the time I bought it. Apple has decided that I am unworthy of restoring my phone to t…

Wont a factory reset bring it back to iOS 5 or whatever it shipped with?

No. Doing a restore on an iOS device will always update it to the most recent version of iOS, not the one it shipped with.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by runn1ng »

edent wrote: post #34

6 years after being reported, Android still doesn't support downloading .ics files. https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1257 Makes it impossible to add events from websites. It's very frustrating that there doesn't seem to be anyone at Google who looks at bugs. It's all about creating "cool" experiences without the tedious work of fixing bugs.

That seems like a feature request, not a bug, to me.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by seccess »

munchhausen wrote: post #24

This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. This sort of "fuck you" attitude towards legitimate feedback and valid bug reports from users doesn't bode well for Google, and indicates that any talk of "openness" of Android is just that - empty talk. If the Android development process is going to be a 100% closed, cathedral-type endeavour, I might as well ge…

Well, the only reason you can make this criticism in the first place is because Android has an open issue tracker. You can't criticize iOS for doing this, because you can't see their issue tracker.

I can just as easily change my search query and show you all the bugs that were in fact fixed [0]. That seems to counter the claim that "the Android development process is going to be 100% closed". I'm not saying one OS is better than the other, but your comment seems more like angry ranting than a well thought out response.

[0] https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=status...

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by zcdziura »

jakobegger wrote: post #52
mfisher87 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say it's completely unfair. Using proprietary data/charging cables and changing the design every so often, obsoleting whole generations of products seems like behavior consistent with my criticism.

Apple introduced the Dock connector on the iPod in 2001. The same connector was used for over ten years, before it was replaced with the lightning connector in 2012. The MagSafe connector was replaced after 6 years by the MagSafe 2 connector, also in 2012. Both of these connectors where replaced for good reasons. The Dock connector was not reversible, prone to break, and was easily clogged with dust. It was also too…

When it comes right down to it, people hate change. "It still works, so why change it!?" is a popular saying among most users.

You're right, though. In this case, there definitely had to be an update to Apple's charging cables. Now that we're 3 generations into the new Lightning Connector, it's less of an issue for most people.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by mrec »

keithpeter wrote: post #67
mrec wrote: post #45

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Yup. They did the same thing with Chrome a couple of years back - just had a bot go through and close everything older than some threshold en masse. As you might expect, I don't bother reporting Chrome bugs any more.

Suppose the Chrome team closed everything older than some cut-off date but explained why (perhaps on a blog) and encouraged people to open new tickets about issues that carried forward to currently supported versions. Would that gesture have kept you motivated to report bugs?

IIRC there was something (unconvincing) on a blog, and they did (nominally) encourage people to open new tickets for issues they cared about. No, that didn't keep me motivated. Words are cheap; actions speak louder. If they really wanted to encourage people to open tickets, they wouldn't robo-close them.

There are a lot of ways they could have avoided that mess. Keepalive anything with recent comment traffic is one that springs to mind, since those comments are often along the lines of "yup, still an issue as of version X.Y.Z" or "Hey, it's been N years, any word on a fix?".

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by Chronic30 »

moca wrote: post #63
mfisher87 wrote: post #11

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Most major companies, to me, seem to be following Apple's example and forcing a shorter support lifecycle for each device, expecting users to simply replace their "obsolete" device with the newest one.

Among major companies, Apple did a better job with supporting old devices. Google Nexus devices become completely out of date after 2 years (too slow to run latest software, and too hard to get hardware repair support). Software wise, Apple could have done a better job as the newer version of iOS is indeed bloated and doesn't run well on old devices. On the other side, Microsoft did great job on supporting Windows XP…

But people will say Google is cool and Microsoft isn't

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by umustbjoking »

munchhausen wrote: post #24

This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device. This sort of "fuck you" attitude towards legitimate feedback and valid bug reports from users doesn't bode well for Google, and indicates that any talk of "openness" of Android is just that - empty talk. If the Android development process is going to be a 100% closed, cathedral-type endeavour, I might as well ge…

>This is very unpalatable, and makes me reconsider whether my next phone will, again, be an Android device.

For me, this is the last nail in the coffin. I won't be purchasing any more Nexus phones. Looking forward to the first Ubuntu phone in a few months.

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by hayksaakian »

runn1ng wrote: post #72
edent wrote: post #34

6 years after being reported, Android still doesn't support downloading .ics files. https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1257 Makes it impossible to add events from websites. It's very frustrating that there doesn't seem to be anyone at Google who looks at bugs. It's all about creating "cool" experiences without the tedious work of fixing bugs.

That seems like a feature request, not a bug, to me.

If you can download everything else normally without an error, but downloading a file with .ics crashes then its a bug.

If you want special functionality associated with .ics files as you download them then that's a feature.

Which is this?

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by wutbrodo »

Chronic30 wrote: post #76
moca wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among major companies, Apple did a better job with supporting old devices. Google Nexus devices become completely out of date after 2 years (too slow to run latest software, and too hard to get hardware repair support). Software wise, Apple could have done a better job as the newer version of iOS is indeed bloated and doesn't run well on old devices. On the other side, Microsoft did great job on supporting Windows XP…

But people will say Google is cool and Microsoft isn't

This is sort of a weird complaint to have, since "cool" doesn't at all have the connotation of "robust long-term support"; in fact it's almost the opposite, since being "cool" is a more in line with things like "move fast and break things".

That doesn't mean that backwards compatibility and long-term support isn't a good thing for the consumer, but it really has nothing to do with the concept of "cool".

Re: Many Android bugs with 500+ stars closed as obsolete on December 25

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Post by tdkl »

madez wrote: post #51
spiralpolitik wrote: post #44

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While all are worthwhile ventures they are all too late to the market to make a difference. We are now in the middle years of the smartphone market. The time for new entrants ended in 2010. It's iOS and Android locked in a struggle that neither can completely win from here on out.

What do you care who "wins"?

He probably wants the most for his money and in this case iOS/Android is the way to roll in 2014.
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