Free speech is last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’
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There is no absolute right to be heard. A fire-and-brimstone preacher on a street corner is a nuisance to me, and I won't want to hear him. But it's a public place, so I would just move on to avoid being annoyed by listening to him. Were he to knock on my front door I would tell him "no" and close the door again. Were he to be granted a lecture at the local university I would not bother to attend. Yes, my mind is alr…
Then it sounds like we agree. Freedom of hearing refers to people being able to decide for themselves what they should hear. I would behave like you in your examples. To go with your university case, the line is crossed if one tries to get the disliked speaker uninvited from the university. Or if one attends the lecture to disrupt it. This has happened many times with prominent speakers, and it's a shame that some pe…
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What are the good arguments FOR "trigger warnings?"
We impose limitations on Free Speech for libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, hate speech, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, and campaign finance reform. (This incomplete list scraped from Wikipedia). The means by which we decide these e…
WTF? Can we discuss capacities of out dear leader and our allmighty twoparty at least?
Re: Free speech is last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’
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What are the good arguments FOR "trigger warnings?"
My understanding based on reading the Geek Feminism Wiki [1] is that the author misrepresented trigger warnings as a signal that something might be offensive when rather they are actually meant to give people a warning that content may re-open deep psychological wounds (such as a PTSD flashback from abuse, urges to self-harm, etc). [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning
I once had severe trauma after I started reading comments on polish equivalent of yahoo. I was struck by existential fear after confronted with sheer stupidity of people's opinions and their own reports if how they fscked up their life. That was shock at least on par with seeing pornography for the first time. I consider it to be formative experience.
Re: Free speech is last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’
#47Author arguing for free speech complains about people exercising their speech to disagree with him speaking?
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We impose limitations on Free Speech for libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, hate speech, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, and campaign finance reform. (This incomplete list scraped from Wikipedia). The means by which we decide these e…
> campaign finance reform WTF? Can we discuss capacities of out dear leader and our allmighty twoparty at least?
Which is exactly why the incumbent establishment was incandescently upset that this decision stuck down part of the bipartisan McCain (Republican)-Feingold (Democrat) law.
Key there is leveraged. That takes money and organization. Citizens United was about suppressing the distribution of a film during the 2008 Democratic primary season (as clarified during the oral arguments, this extended to books). The law went so far as to prevent sending non-partisan voter's guides such as the NRA's 60 days prior to general election; "low information voters" would not seem to be viewed as a great problem by our betters.
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My understanding based on reading the Geek Feminism Wiki [1] is that the author misrepresented trigger warnings as a signal that something might be offensive when rather they are actually meant to give people a warning that content may re-open deep psychological wounds (such as a PTSD flashback from abuse, urges to self-harm, etc). [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning
The intention may be good, but in practice trigger warnings probably do more harm than good to the very people they are meant to help. See the long discussion at the end of this article [1] with an expert on treating trauma survivors for details. An interesting quote from him: The media should actually – quite the contrary… Instead of encouraging a culture of avoidance, they should be encouraging exposure. Most traum…
Consider the example of Bob, a hypothetical person who has a phobia of elevators.
People tell Bob to face his fears. So, Bob decides to do this. He visits a local mall that has a bank of elevators. As he approaches them his body starts releasing adrenaline. His palms get a bit sweaty. His heart starts pumping a bit faster. His breathing changes. His anxiety levels raise. Bob tells himself to just keep going. He reaches the elevators, and reaches out a shaky hand, and pushes the button. He has thoughts - "I'm going to get trapped in this elevator" (for example), but he pushes those thoughts aside. The elevator arrives, with the announcement "Ding!", the doors slide open, and Bob gets in. Bob's thought's are crowding his mind, but he thinks "This is stupid, my fears are irrational" - but that does nothing to stop his fear. He pushes a button for a floor a few levels higher. The doors slide close. The elevator starts with a small lurch. Bob's anxiety levels are now really high. He is near panic. The elevator reaches his selected floor, the doors open, and Bob rushes out. As he leaves the source of danger his body floods with endorphins, and the further away he gets from the elevator the better he feels. His breathing calms down; his thoughts subside; his heart rate drops back to normal.
Bob has not conquered his fear of elevators. Bob has made his fear worse.
What Bob should do -- and these might seem like minor changes -- is to add some time for him to consider his thoughts.
Bob should spend a few moments looking at the elevator. Bob is in control - he can get in or not, as he wishes. He has to think about what his emotion is ('Fear') and what the thought causing that emotion is ('I will be trapped in the elevator'). He should sit with that for a few moments. Bob is not supposed to think "my fears are irrational". People do after all occasionally get trapped in elevators. (And spiders can be dangerous, and dogs do bite people, and sometimes blood does carry diseases, etc etc.) He should consider the evidence for that fear - ('I read that report of someone who got trapped in an elevator for a few days'). He should also think about how his body feels, and recognise that his heart rate has risen, and his breathing is different. Then he needs to think about different evidence ("I don't know anyone who has been trapped in an elevator. I have never heard of these elevators not working." and see whether that has reduced his fear a bit. This is an iterative process, you're supposed to use it each time you face that situation and it gets easier to do over time. Once Bob gets into the elevator he is supposed to stay in it until he has controlled his breathing and reduced his fear a bit.
So, yes, it's important to not avoid all sources of trauma but it's important to do it properly.
Trigger warnings do serve a useful purpose when talking about suicide or self-injury, which both have elements of contagion.
EDIT: Your article starts with an example about OCD. I agree that trigger warnings don't help there, and what people actually need is much easier better quicker access to treatment. There is very little risk of someone with OCD doing the things they have obsessive thoughts of (women have thoughts of putting their babies in microwave ovens, for example, but they would never actually do this). The article's expert then only considers trigger warnings for trauma - (where I agree they serve little purpose) but does not consider trigger warnings for contagion of self-harm or suicidal ideation.
Re: Free speech is last century. Today’s students want the ‘right to be comfortable’
#50Comfortableness is a misnomer. What it is conformity. Havel.correctly identifies this as "post-totalitarian". It is the same sick mindset of communism and the Salem witch trials and Inquisition. It is political control and it is used by malicious actors to manipulate and destroy.
Millions have suffered and been killed and imprisoned under such regimes, and Havel describes the casual brutality of it.
The endpoint of this is obvious. And learning about it is important. http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/165havel.html