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Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by r109 »

alexggordon wrote: post #95

I'm always a little bit fascinated by these sorts of attacks. On one hand, I guess I understand (yet don't condone) the motivation for the 'vigilante' justice they're trying to do. On the other, I really don't understand what benefit you can get from attacking Xbox, then Sony, and finally Tor. When I think of the people doing this, I tend to think of them as understanding the importance of Tor and the benefit of anon…

Because sometimes desk jockeys within the IT world put on their blue collar, settle for a mediocre salary, grow 4-6 pant sizes, and think "this is good enough"

Up until new blood walks up, points out a flaw, and fucks shit up because the "senior" desk jockey can barely squirm out of his $1000 computer chair to reach his keyboard.

That's just my take on it, if Lizard Squad states that it has taken them minimal effort to setup these attacks; then what's stopping a larger organization from doing such things?

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by mschuster91 »

afro88 wrote: post #114
mschuster91 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do hope law enforcement catches up with these guys sooner rather than later. Me not. Sony and MS need to be taught that online DRM is a massive customer experience clusterfuck, and they will only listen and learn one way: hit 'em in their pockets. Only when enough customers are angry and demand refunds that it hurts their bottom lines, then maybe online DRM measures will be finally allowed to rot in hell.

Maybe I missed it - where do they say they're DDOSing because of online DRM? And if they are, how does online DRM justify illegal activity? I'm not going to flood someone's shop so they can't open for business because I don't like their product. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and educate consumers on why they shouldn't buy it either. Boycotts are the most direct way to harm a company's bottom line.

If boycotting and consumer education worked, we would not have this discussion. Console and title sales are through the roof, despite tech-savvy people and press all over the world calling bullshit on DRM.

It's time for more drastic measures.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by sanswork »

Karunamon wrote: post #118
sanswork wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know your thoughts on the matter allow for changes because you aren't talking to me in Old English which means you are concerned with changes to specific words only AKA pet words. Then you reply with a post about how it causes image problems and confirm my original reply was correct. >Tell me, are you okay with this website being associated with illegal activity because the media is lazy and you'd rather just shrug…

This is the media we're talking about. You think your (or anyone's) explanation will be taken at face value, or be taken as a member of an outgroup trying to save face? I'll give you a hint, it's the one that outrages the most people. You don't explain away misconceptions like that. Whatever. You may be okay with being lumped in with criminals. I am not. I will continue correcting people that make this mistake regard…

This is our fellow english speakers we're talking about. Unless you some how think everyone else is incapable of understanding some words can have multiple meanings then there is no concern. I for one am confident most people can understand that.

>You don't explain away misconceptions like that.

I've never had any problems. Maybe it is just your delivery?

>I will continue correcting people that make this mistake regardless of how much it annoys them to be wrong.

The thing is unless you believe English should be static(and as we've already discussed you clearly don't) it isn't them that is wrong it is you.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by afro88 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #122
afro88 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I missed it - where do they say they're DDOSing because of online DRM? And if they are, how does online DRM justify illegal activity? I'm not going to flood someone's shop so they can't open for business because I don't like their product. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and educate consumers on why they shouldn't buy it either. Boycotts are the most direct way to harm a company's bottom line.

If boycotting and consumer education worked, we would not have this discussion. Console and title sales are through the roof, despite tech-savvy people and press all over the world calling bullshit on DRM. It's time for more drastic measures.

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/successfulboycotts.a...

There's some successful boycotts, when there's a hell of a lot more on the line than just the inability to play COD. They're not doing anything illegal, and they don't need to.

> Console and title sales are through the roof, despite tech-savvy people and press all over the world calling bullshit on DRM. It's time for more drastic measures.

It's never time for more drastic (illegal) measures if someone provides a product you don't like. They're providing a shitty "feature" that frustrates you when your shitty internet connection is down. If it frustrates you so much, don't use it, get your friends not to use it, blog about it, post about it, spread the word. Look what happened to Sim City last year.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by Yhippa »

alexggordon wrote: post #95

I'm always a little bit fascinated by these sorts of attacks. On one hand, I guess I understand (yet don't condone) the motivation for the 'vigilante' justice they're trying to do. On the other, I really don't understand what benefit you can get from attacking Xbox, then Sony, and finally Tor. When I think of the people doing this, I tend to think of them as understanding the importance of Tor and the benefit of anon…

Apparently Kim Dotcom gave them 3,000 MegaUpload accounts to stop. After that they claim to have halted the attacks. They have somewhat of an incentive now to DDoS internet services and wait to see if someone will give them goodies in exchange to stop this.

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/548305704776241152

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by dghughes »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #76
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #75

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> Complaints about the terms are 'no true Scotsman...' arguments. They really aren't. > Being pompous about terms just comes across to the general public as nerd rage, much like gun aficionados whining about terminological niceties following reports of a mass shooting incident. Words matter. If some fools are caught with a Molotov cocktail and the media starts reporting that they had a "nuclear weapon" because gasoli…

I'm old enough to remember when 'hacker' meant exactly that. Now its hip to be called a hacker; does that change its meaning? What does it mean to be a 'gangsta'? Languages change. That doesn't mean its offensive when somebody still uses the old meaning, because its how they grew up using it.

Ask anyone under 30 what they think a Phreaker is I bet they wouldn't have a clue, "phone freak" even the word freak these days may be misinterpreted too since it meant someone really into some hobby.

Maybe we should call this script kiddies "scriddies" since it seems the average Joe and TV/newspapers like a single catchy word.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by eropple »

jnbiche wrote: post #105
eropple wrote: post #32

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English is not prescriptive. That will not change no matter how hard you rage.

The word "prescriptive" generally refers to an approach to language, such as found in grammars, discussed by grammarians, etc. Not to languages themselves, which are neither descriptive nor prescriptive.

There are very much prescriptive languages. French, for example, is prescriptively maintained by the Académie française and the Office québécois de la langue française.

English isn't one, and all the hurfing and durfing in the world won't change that because a techie doesn't like the word "hacker" being used in a way despite his...wait for it...proscription.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by jedberg »

alexggordon wrote: post #95

I'm always a little bit fascinated by these sorts of attacks. On one hand, I guess I understand (yet don't condone) the motivation for the 'vigilante' justice they're trying to do. On the other, I really don't understand what benefit you can get from attacking Xbox, then Sony, and finally Tor. When I think of the people doing this, I tend to think of them as understanding the importance of Tor and the benefit of anon…

> I really don't understand any logical reason for this happening,

Maybe it is the federal government trying to bolster their case for stronger control of the internet with a false flag operation.

For the record I'm not a conspiracy nut, but at the same time, given what we know about our government now and in the past, I can't completely dismiss the possibility.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Post by [deleted] »

dirkk0 wrote: post #41

I don't get it. They attack the PSN and XBox networks. Kim Schmitz gives them 3000 vouchers for Mega to save christmas (what?) and/or the world. Then they claim, he's the reason they stopped the attacks. And then they target their next victim. My point is: one might not like Kim but he is way too smart to expect such a barter to be successful. So, given his own background, what makes him this? A stupid hero? Or is th…

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