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Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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So from what I've read so far they are trying to deanonymize TOR users by having a large number of relays in the network. This isn't an unknown attack vector. But surely the NSA could easily do the same. What's to say that half the relays aren't already NSA owned?

Because if you create 3000 TOR relays in an hour it's easy for everyone to notice them and not use them.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

#22
A bunch of children who don't know how to use Tor (take a look at the dox from TheFinest) decide to try and compromise Tor.

Colour me surprised.

Given that a bunch affiliated with the group's names, addresses, numbers and the like have been compromised, this doesn't seem like a very smart plan.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #19

PLEASE stop calling them hackers. They're DDoS kiddies who have now switched to spinning up TOR on their botnet. THESE ARE NOT HACKERS.

At this point Hack is just a marketing/media term and Lisp nerds from MIT no longer have any say in the matter. Let it go.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

#24

So from what I've read so far they are trying to deanonymize TOR users by having a large number of relays in the network. This isn't an unknown attack vector. But surely the NSA could easily do the same. What's to say that half the relays aren't already NSA owned?

Because if you create 3000 TOR relays in an hour it's easy for everyone to notice them and not use them.

True. But if you do it over a long period... TOR has been around a while now. How can you possibly vet all owners? Surely most relay owners would prefer to remain anonymous.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #19

PLEASE stop calling them hackers. They're DDoS kiddies who have now switched to spinning up TOR on their botnet. THESE ARE NOT HACKERS.

At this point Hack is just a marketing/media term and Lisp nerds from MIT no longer have any say in the matter. Let it go.

That kind of attitude is why we have people denying global warming. Terms have meaning, allowing idiots to try to muddy the waters hurts all of mankind. It has nothing to do with "Lisp nerds from MIT".

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #10

first off, quit calling them hackers. they aren't hackers. they are script kiddies.

What makes you say this? Do we know exactly what they've done?

I can tell you most of the TOR relays they've got aren't anything more than google cloud instances. So... not really hacking at all.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #19

PLEASE stop calling them hackers. They're DDoS kiddies who have now switched to spinning up TOR on their botnet. THESE ARE NOT HACKERS.

Please understand the problem. Calling them "Hackers", or "Black hats" or whatever fucking term is NOT the issue.

When someone has the possibility of doing a Sybil attack, no matter what they did before, you take that shit seriously. As of now, we don't know if the goal is to really test their 0day (which, if it's a Sybil isn't exactly 0day) or just popping up 3360 exit nodes to give "free" bandwidth.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you create 3000 TOR relays in an hour it's easy for everyone to notice them and not use them.

True. But if you do it over a long period... TOR has been around a while now. How can you possibly vet all owners? Surely most relay owners would prefer to remain anonymous.

Yes, I'm sure there are relays being run by the NSA and other governments. But people monitor the creation of new relays an attempt to determine who is running them. It's not a simple task to fool everyone.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say this? Do we know exactly what they've done?

Lizard Squad has access to a large botnet which they used to DDoS Sony and Microsoft and now to create a large number of TOR relays. It's not hacking. It's not even being a script kiddie.

It's organized crime.

Re: Hackers Who Shut Down PSN and Xbox Live Now Attacking Tor

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post #27
post #19

PLEASE stop calling them hackers. They're DDoS kiddies who have now switched to spinning up TOR on their botnet. THESE ARE NOT HACKERS.

Please understand the problem. Calling them "Hackers", or "Black hats" or whatever fucking term is NOT the issue. When someone has the possibility of doing a Sybil attack, no matter what they did before, you take that shit seriously. As of now, we don't know if the goal is to really test their 0day (which, if it's a Sybil isn't exactly 0day) or just popping up 3360 exit nodes to give "free" bandwidth.

Given that they've yet to do anything beyond DDoS attacks that aren't even complex in nature - the odds of them having a 0-day or any attack of any sort is pretty much 0. This is literally one or more teenagers "doing it for the lulz" and the attention.
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