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Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Yes, if it's a laptop (DIY will always be better for PCs). But until I see it, I won't believe that you or anyone can pull it off at a price that's competitive (or equal) to a Macbook Pro/Air.

Apple's laptop line is actually quite competitive. The keyboard (layout), trackpad (quality/design), integration of hardware and software (battery life + feel), and overall build quality are what sets Apple apart from the competition. I have yet to buy an Apple product, but I also haven't replaced my laptop in over 3 years. Every time I think of doing so, I go through the same exercise:

1. Eliminate laptops with idiotic layouts (I'm one of those people that type with the right shift key). This first step already cuts out the majority of low cost laptops.

2. Filter by battery life. Suddenly Apple pricing isn't looking that bad.

3. Filter by specs - screen, etc. Now you are left with laptops that are all in the same (or higher!) price range as Apple.

And this is all before taking into account other factors like Linux compatibility. By time I get the list down to models that are competitive with Apple, the price is almost always equal or higher. And usually, none work 100% perfectly with Linux. So I end up buying nothing.

If you could pull off such a piece of hardware, where the hardware is designed to fit the distro's look and feel (a very underrated pro for Apple products in my opinion), at a competitive price, I'd be first in line to buy one.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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I keep seeing nice Chromebooks with IPS displays and usually unibody plastic build construction. Sub the plastic for aluminum and it shouldn't add more than $100 to the ticket price. Make the keyboard good for another $50. That is only like $500 now, so we want some actual storage in this device, so throw in a 512GB SSD and call it a day at $700 with a Haswell dual core.

>> Sub the plastic for aluminum and it shouldn't add more than $100 to the ticket price. You'll be surprised! I'd suggest closer to $200. >> Make the keyboard good for another $50 Agreed. >> ...throw in a 512GB SSD and call it a day at $700 with a Haswell dual core. Can't argue with the storage, but the CPU is still not an i5/7 and the graphics card isn't Intel Iris/nVidia class. Add those in and we're beginning to h…

$200 just for an aluminum case? The price of aluminum is under $1 per pound. Where do you get that amount?

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>> Sub the plastic for aluminum and it shouldn't add more than $100 to the ticket price. You'll be surprised! I'd suggest closer to $200. >> Make the keyboard good for another $50 Agreed. >> ...throw in a 512GB SSD and call it a day at $700 with a Haswell dual core. Can't argue with the storage, but the CPU is still not an i5/7 and the graphics card isn't Intel Iris/nVidia class. Add those in and we're beginning to h…

$200 just for an aluminum case? The price of aluminum is under $1 per pound. Where do you get that amount?

Raw Aluminium needs to be processed. Even as ingots, there is a considerable amount of manufacturing required to form and make it into a sturdy enough case. As illustrated by the pricer point of the Pixel, my guesstimate seems closer than the original $100 - if anything I'm also a bit too low...

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$200 just for an aluminum case? The price of aluminum is under $1 per pound. Where do you get that amount?

Raw Aluminium needs to be processed. Even as ingots, there is a considerable amount of manufacturing required to form and make it into a sturdy enough case. As illustrated by the pricer point of the Pixel, my guesstimate seems closer than the original $100 - if anything I'm also a bit too low...

$200 is ridiculously high, even $100 is too much. $200 is the estimated bill of materials for the entire iPhone6 (which uses aluminum). I wasn't able to find an estimate for the MBP case, but Ford's cost of changing F-150 to aluminum (for an entire truck!!) is $500:

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/11/fords-switch-to-aluminu...

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Raw Aluminium needs to be processed. Even as ingots, there is a considerable amount of manufacturing required to form and make it into a sturdy enough case. As illustrated by the pricer point of the Pixel, my guesstimate seems closer than the original $100 - if anything I'm also a bit too low...

$200 is ridiculously high, even $100 is too much. $200 is the estimated bill of materials for the entire iPhone6 (which uses aluminum). I wasn't able to find an estimate for the MBP case, but Ford's cost of changing F-150 to aluminum (for an entire truck!!) is $500: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/11/fords-switch-to-aluminu...

You are comparing pressed sheet aluminium to CNC milled aluminium. It really is a very, very different process. For one, the tooling is much cheaper. There is less waste. The quality of the raw materials if different. The finish is different. The volume is different. Most importantly, the manufacturing process is very different. A product (a car, a boat, a phone, a computer, even a building) is considerably more than the sum of it's BOM. It's an incredibly facile way to evaluate the cost of something.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Raw Aluminium needs to be processed. Even as ingots, there is a considerable amount of manufacturing required to form and make it into a sturdy enough case. As illustrated by the pricer point of the Pixel, my guesstimate seems closer than the original $100 - if anything I'm also a bit too low...

$200 is ridiculously high, even $100 is too much. $200 is the estimated bill of materials for the entire iPhone6 (which uses aluminum). I wasn't able to find an estimate for the MBP case, but Ford's cost of changing F-150 to aluminum (for an entire truck!!) is $500: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/11/fords-switch-to-aluminu...

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Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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$200 is ridiculously high, even $100 is too much. $200 is the estimated bill of materials for the entire iPhone6 (which uses aluminum). I wasn't able to find an estimate for the MBP case, but Ford's cost of changing F-150 to aluminum (for an entire truck!!) is $500: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/11/fords-switch-to-aluminu...

You are comparing pressed sheet aluminium to CNC milled aluminium. It really is a very, very different process. For one, the tooling is much cheaper. There is less waste. The quality of the raw materials if different. The finish is different. The volume is different. Most importantly, the manufacturing process is very different. A product (a car, a boat, a phone, a computer, even a building) is considerably more than…

The cost of the material is negligible, we're talking less than $5. You can buy a pretty decent CPU for $200. Are you telling me that the overhead of cutting a piece of aluminum (the waste can easily be reused) is about the same as building a CPU?!!

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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You are comparing pressed sheet aluminium to CNC milled aluminium. It really is a very, very different process. For one, the tooling is much cheaper. There is less waste. The quality of the raw materials if different. The finish is different. The volume is different. Most importantly, the manufacturing process is very different. A product (a car, a boat, a phone, a computer, even a building) is considerably more than…

The cost of the material is negligible, we're talking less than $5. You can buy a pretty decent CPU for $200. Are you telling me that the overhead of cutting a piece of aluminum (the waste can easily be reused) is about the same as building a CPU?!!

Yes. I'm sorry, what is you manufacturing background? It's relevant as you seem to be under the misapprehension that material cost is the only consideration here.
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