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Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#52
So I'll say this as a mac user for the last 5 years: I'm mostly buying the hardware, not the software. I'm actually not really that fond of OS-X. I feel like in theory I should like it (a nice unix with great graphics?), but it finds a lot of subtle ways to annoy the hell out of me. Apple is great at beautiful UI's, but I think they kind of suck at UX.

The only reason I haven't switched to linux is I find most of their UI's are more annoying. (Gnome 2 was solid, but Gnome 3 and unity are a mess, and KDE feels like it's in a perpetual state of not-quite-done although if I were to use any of them, that would probably be my choice)

I guess I'd also say though, that linux as a selling point would mean nothing to me (good or bad). Like I wouldn't care that it's a linux computer at all, I'd either be excited or not because it's a well put together machine.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Unequivocally yes. As a developer having an identical setup on my local machine that I do on my server saves so much time. Besides none of the commercial OS's have a package manager that comes close to the package managers on linux / bsd.

Homebrew.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently I've read a bunch of people who want eink screens. I'm a bit confused: the refresh rate is terrible for eink. Typing text would be painful. Maybe the year 2020 will have great quality fast eink but today it'd be a pretty lousy experience.

Somebody has to be the first to try it and spend som R&D on trying to get it to work. During the last summers I've been reading and commenting at HN and other forums at the beach with the lousy browser on my ultra-slow Sony PRS-T1 e-book reader. It's a pretty terrible experince, agreed. Scrolling and waiting for eink refresh every now and then, text input is laggy. Still I do it since it is so easy to read in sunligh…

I'm disappointed the Pixel Qi screens haven't become more popular. Sol Computer (http://www.solcomputer.com/) makes a few devices with them, but they're overpriced and underpowered from what I can tell. Otherwise their sunlight performance would be great.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#55
post #26

It's got nothing to do with cost, which is IMHO a complete canard. Spec for spec, MacBooks are actually quite competitive in the market in which they compete[0]. I'd love to see a linux based laptop that is as well integrated and as well made as a Mac. It'd be great if it wasn't fugly too. If it's cheaper, that's a bonus, but in all honesty, I've yet to find a brand new laptop that costs less that £700 that isn't a p…

As a veteran system builder, I was rather surprised when I looked into laptops recently to find macbooks very competitive.

I dislike Apple as an organization due to their marketing practices, closed ecosystem, and apparent lack of respect for their customers demonstrated in their reaction to bend/antenna gate. Apple even works hard to hide what processors their systems are actually running!

After much digging, though the hardware costs slightly more, MBPs come out far ahead as a package with OS X - a full featured OS with a healthy ecosystem and excellent battery life. I couldn't find a better option for my intended user.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#56

No. Linux makes for a good server setup, but the desktop side is lacking in high-quality applications that are considered standard on other platforms. Linux simply has too many cooks to ever achieve the mostly homogenous experience of Windows or Mac. That is both it's blessing and it's curse. Besides, I get 90% of what I need from Linux on a Mac and the other 10% I can get from a VM running Linux or a remote box.

Few days ago I've installed Ubuntu on at work. I cannot open folders under many directories because I don't have permissions. Then I gave permissions, with the terminal. And guess what? I has started to reset its static IP. I wanted to ad cron jobs, they didn't work, also you write them as text, I have no idea how they work. When you shut down Ubuntu from terminal the PC goes for sleep, it doesn't power off. You don't have administrative rights in your PC, you always need to open terminal and sudo su. There are some workarounds that they either don't work or breaks other things. You don't have wizards when installing a software, you need to study the manuals and then sudo su in to the terminal to configure the files, and then you have to learn how to write a file from terminal. If you are lucky it works. Do you know how to enter Google Public DNS IPs to the settings? You have to ask it to your friend. Tip: use comma. It is good for servers because it is free. However not so much user friendly for desktop users. Thanks for making it guys. It is second best OS, after FreeBSD.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#57
Of course but DO NOT BELIEVE that you can make something of better quality than a hundred billion dollar company can do.

Apple has lots of legacy code, you know, when you see instant vector graphics in apple maps, Apple is using decades of software done by dozens of genius programmers over time when efficiency mattered(for example for drawing fonts on the screen). This code, then, became accelerated.

Apple bought a hardware semiconductor company that designs specific hardware for them that makes for example instant photos or slow motion video, or hardware acceleration of playback(which makes battery last way longer than anyone else).

Apple sells millions of devices and this means they have access to a supply chain and prices you can't get. period.

If you want to compete with Apple, do what Apple will never do:

- Add the option to replace the battery and RAM. - The option to use it on sunlight, like Pixel Qi. - Make the hardware open source. - Make the case also open so people can 3d print it or mechanize or whatever, like a Harley Davidson. - Make it rugged so people can use it in the beach.

You have to find your niche in what the big boys will never care to compete or just scares them.

Forget about lesser cost, your prices need to be way higher than Apple because at first you will be selling thousands st most, not millions.

I have a company. I don't care if I have to spend double or triple what an air cost if it solves a problem no body else solves(and it makes me money). I spend 50.000 or 60.000 dollars in some machines(because they give me lots of money back).

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#58
post #26

It's got nothing to do with cost, which is IMHO a complete canard. Spec for spec, MacBooks are actually quite competitive in the market in which they compete[0]. I'd love to see a linux based laptop that is as well integrated and as well made as a Mac. It'd be great if it wasn't fugly too. If it's cheaper, that's a bonus, but in all honesty, I've yet to find a brand new laptop that costs less that £700 that isn't a p…

I keep seeing nice Chromebooks with IPS displays and usually unibody plastic build construction.

Sub the plastic for aluminum and it shouldn't add more than $100 to the ticket price. Make the keyboard good for another $50. That is only like $500 now, so we want some actual storage in this device, so throw in a 512GB SSD and call it a day at $700 with a Haswell dual core.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#59

No. There's more to it than the hardware and the OS. I've got ancient thinkpads (great machines), an old desktop, and an iPad Air1. I use a fair amount of linux here and there. I'm not wed to any platform for surfing, editing, writing, email, etc. I help support and maintain a lot of friends' machines that are Apple, and 100% of my interactions with the hardware and/or company have been successful, and relatively pai…

> linux updates too frequently for my tastes...an artifact of its dispersed development.

Do you even notice how often Mach is updating in OSX? Does it show up anywhere? If you use Linux and you use it as a tool and not as a playground, you should not care what kernel you are running, besides checking device compatibility. Most users should be running an Ubuntu LTS and only upgrading every two years, and that should be fine for most people.

> t's not what you pay, it's what it costs.

And my counterargument is using Apple products means you are putting blind faith in Apples proprietary software to work in your interests. We already know Windows is backdoored and wire tapped systemically, and Apple is usually a bit better by open sourcing their plumbing, but iOS and the Lion app store should be a tangible warning on how Apple is trying to take you out of the your computer equation. Software freedom is about owning your hardware, and it seems Apple is trying pretty hard to go against that.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

#60

I am already using the Linux on laptop better than Mac. It is called Thinkpad (an older model). Now the problem is that Lenovo is trying to be more like Apple and this does not go well with them. You can ask how much people are pleased with the new single button touchpads or how they like 16:9 screens instead of 16:10 screens or how they like the lack of Delete button. So yes, I would buy a laptop (I would not buy a…

Ugh, I really hope Lenovo steps up their game. I do remember Thinkpads being nice, but the new ones are terrible. We have two models at work, and one has the awful new trackpad with like 1/4" of squishy-click travel, and both have wavy plastic bits above the keyboard, with rattle-y gimmick media buttons, and I've noticed that the bezel around the screen on both laptops is very flexible, especially at the bottom. They remind of cheap Dell laptops from early/mid 2000s.
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