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Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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You have to have more to say than no one should be licensed for anything, that is a ridiculous proposition. No licensed electricians? Sorry your house is on fire!

It could work this way. Wiring not done by a licensed electrician then you pay triple for insurance. No insurance no mortgage. Now you can have your house burn down and it is a total loss. Hell NH drivers don't need insurance. Live free or die. Edit: Actually I just remembered you can wire your own house in NH, but it still has to be inspected. They are not totally crazy.

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Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Anyone with a smart phone to use Uber is capable of researching though. If they don't research the onus is on them. I don't just blindly buy products, or hire contractors it's not 1950. I always read reviews first. The people HAVE the power to find competitors in their area. If they donee en try that's not anyone's fault but their own.

Like you, I always have a charged battery, a data connection, and the time to conduct research. I also have a PhD in chemistry, and I find this knowledge invaluable for assessing the potential for harm of all food additivies and environmental pollutants. I find this nicely complements my medical training, which of course helps me make the best decisions regarding my health, and my PhD in CS which keeps my data safe o…

There are broad swaths in this community who are unwilling to understand the targets of their disruption - similar to those unwilling to understand why something that seems obtuse is the prescribed solution developed in a previous context. Brownfield software platforms and applications don't make sense to the next wave.

Regulations, society, governments, etc. don't make sense to the next wave of kids, but the themes of disruption and hacking are salient and seductive. Good on the next wave and each one after for seeing the world and thinking, "I can do better." That is the commandment within the religion of the technologist I appreciate.

Uber ceases to exist with driverless cars unless they become a car manufacturer and own the vehicles. You don't need the overhead of Uber to get driverless cars to your door. The companies working on driverless cars can wipe away Uber with far fewer indictments of CEOs. In Uber, I see a naivete in deploying disruption that will more likely place Uber on the heap of left coast bubbles than reward them with an institutional place in the firmament of global corporations.

It's time to get rid of the senior execs and let the investors run the house to extract maximum value until Google's driverless car subscription is pervasive. The leadership of Uber is too high a risk for the investors in Uber.

And, for the kids who don't need no rules, you will age to become us one day and see yourself in those coming to replace you. You will see them screaming to unravel the world while not realizing they are perturbing the world, not changing it. They are part of the world, not its master. They are the catalysts of churn but will repeat our mistakes. And another wave will crash on the shore...

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

#113
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone with a smart phone to use Uber is capable of researching though. If they don't research the onus is on them. I don't just blindly buy products, or hire contractors it's not 1950. I always read reviews first. The people HAVE the power to find competitors in their area. If they donee en try that's not anyone's fault but their own.

Like you, I always have a charged battery, a data connection, and the time to conduct research. I also have a PhD in chemistry, and I find this knowledge invaluable for assessing the potential for harm of all food additivies and environmental pollutants. I find this nicely complements my medical training, which of course helps me make the best decisions regarding my health, and my PhD in CS which keeps my data safe o…

There are broad swaths in this community who are unwilling to understand the targets of their disruption - similar to those unwilling to understand why something that seems obtuse is the prescribed solution developed in a previous context. Brownfield software platforms and applications don't make sense to the next wave.

Regulations, society, governments, etc. don't make sense to the next wave of kids, but the themes of disruption and hacking are salient and seductive. Good on the next wave and each one after for seeing the world and thinking, "I can do better." That is the commandment within the religion of the technologist I appreciate.

Uber ceases to exist with driverless cars unless they become a car manufacturer and own the vehicles. You don't need the overhead of Uber to get driverless cars to your door. The companies working on driverless cars can wipe away Uber with far fewer indictments of CEOs. In Uber, I see a naivete in deploying disruption that will more likely place Uber on the heap of left coast bubbles than reward them with an institutional place in the firmament of global corporations.

It's time to get rid of the senior execs and let the investors run the house to extract maximum value until Google's driverless car subscription is pervasive. The leadership of Uber is too high a risk for the investors in Uber.

And, for the kids who don't need no rules, you will age to become us one day and see yourself in those coming to replace you. You will see them screaming to unravel the world while not realizing they are perturbing the world, not changing it. They are part of the world, not its master. They are the catalysts of change and, in ways, improve life, but will repeat our mistakes. And another wave will crash on the shore...

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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post #34

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You have to have more to say than no one should be licensed for anything, that is a ridiculous proposition. No licensed electricians? Sorry your house is on fire!

It could work this way. Wiring not done by a licensed electrician then you pay triple for insurance. No insurance no mortgage. Now you can have your house burn down and it is a total loss. Hell NH drivers don't need insurance. Live free or die. Edit: Actually I just remembered you can wire your own house in NH, but it still has to be inspected. They are not totally crazy.

This is a horrible idea. What will happen and has happened in reality is that those with less scruples or money will simply pay for the cheaper unlicensed work and not pay for extra insurance. Those people or their tenets then suffer by injury and death when an electrical fire starts or an improper wiring job jolts someone.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Replying to the other reply that exceeds the max depth one can reply directly to, to imply "human life" is somehow a magical infinitely valuable commodity is childishly naive. Human life is just an electrochemical reaction and like everything else in the universe has a quantifiable value. If you're going to vote me down please explain how I am wrong and how not being able to put a price on life is more than just sill…

Counter point: How much do I have to offer you to kill yourself? The actual answer is I can't. Because your life has infinite value to you, because without which you may not acquire any other wealth. I.E.: Your life is worth all the wealthy you may obtain to yourself, or potentially all wealth in existence. Therefore, what is the quantifiable value of something with inelastic demand? Economics tells us its infinite (…

Honestly if you could wait until after my children are born, I'd take you up on it should the value be high enough.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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post #115

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Counter point: How much do I have to offer you to kill yourself? The actual answer is I can't. Because your life has infinite value to you, because without which you may not acquire any other wealth. I.E.: Your life is worth all the wealthy you may obtain to yourself, or potentially all wealth in existence. Therefore, what is the quantifiable value of something with inelastic demand? Economics tells us its infinite (…

Honestly if you could wait until after my children are born, I'd take you up on it should the value be high enough.

He then makes the same offer for your kids.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Maybe I'm skewed - I'm from South Carolina - but I don't necessarily view unions as a monstrosity, surprisingly. I do hear the horror stories, but there must be some middle ground.

There's definitely a middle ground. I have a couple friends who are in unions, and they're very pro-union. They don't claim they're perfect, just that it's sure better than not having one.

I can certainly imagine why they would love their unions. They are great for the people, but shit for our states economy. Unfortunately, they have such lobby power it's tough to stop them here.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Are they being abridged in any way? If I offer you a ride to the airport for ten bucks,should the state prosecute me criminally? Or is that true only if I use the I Internet to do it? What if I post in an online forum? The state can certainly require me to purchase insurance to own a vehicle. Clearly in the public's interest. Perhaps that insurance should cover riders. Great discussion. But this is simply crony capit…

> But this is simply crony capitalism. There may be risk, but there is no crime here. At all. That is where you are quite wrong. The regulations of taxis goes way back to carriage regulations in the 19th century. The reason for this is clear: to ensure that the vehicle is maintained, the driver doesn't have a history of attacking or abducting passengers, and that pricing is transparent and passengers aren't gouged. T…

You are quite right about the reason for carriage laws. They're right out of two centuries ago, where a person who got into a conveyance had no idea what they might be getting into.

Those days are long gone, however. Today I can buy a used car on Ebay, committing thousands of dollars to a sale for a product I've never seen and a seller I'll never meet, all without worrying about the transaction. Why? Because information flows much more freely. The commercial transaction that used to take a government guarantee now just requires an open exchange of information about past history -- which is trivial to accomplish.

The 1800s are long gone. Time to move on.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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>If I want to drive somebody and make money I don't need no licence. There's absolutely no justification for requiring a licence. What about the client's rights?

I am not arguing this point on licenses or no licenses, however I would say that assuming the client has provided an informed consent, then the client should be allowed to use whatever car service they want. If I hitchhike, I assume the risk with no expectation of protection. Consumers should have a right to use whatever they want -- provided they are aware of what they are consuming. However the odd thing about Uber…

> assuming the client has provided an informed consent

How would the client be informed on issues such as

* proper vehicle maintenance records

* prior criminal record

* history of accidents and insurance claims

* presence of proper insurance to cover client's medical costs or property loss costs in case of an accident

This is something that is required of properly licensed transportation companies (i.e. anybody working under Uber Black). Until the client has a quick and convenient way to research that information, we can only pretend the consent is informed.

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