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Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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I am perfectly aware that we live in deeply partisan times. Partisan in not just political ideologies but also in ways we see the world and our place in it. At times, it seems all middle ground has vanished. But that discussion is for another time. Unionizing is a contentious issue not just for the employers but also for the consumers, especially when you look at how unions - in the industries and sectors where they…

> seem to always serve the interests of just the union members and in no particular way improve the experience of the consumers. Serving the interests of the union members - representing them in their negotiations with management, to be precise - is a union's reason for being. They might also hold their members to a standard of professional ethics, depending on the union, and that might or might not benefit you as a…

  "...that might or might not benefit you as a consumer, but 
  that's not the immediate goal."

  "You're focused on the wrong thing vis a vis unions. 
  They are there for the workers, that might or might not 
  play out well for the consumer."
Bah Humbug! Then why am I - as the consumer - should want to foster the growth and strengthening of unions?

To create another entrenched interest group whose influence I cannot hope to counter, using my already significance-dwindled vote, in a state that is already rife with the influence of such powerful unions?

In California, the biggest special interest donor, the California Teachers Association, spent more than $118 million on campaigns in the state during the past five election cycles.[1]

And what do the "consumers" get for that?

The Golden State's fourth-graders ranked 47th in the nation in both math and reading. Eighth-graders ranked 45th in math and 42nd in reading.[2]

Looking at states like California, it is not a stretch to extrapolate that unions - once they reach a critical mass - tend to indulge in a cycle of voracious self-fattening with their growing influence, election cycle after election cycle.

As a consumer, I am supposed to help create more unions and enable this kind of behavior?

[1] http://californiawatch.org/money-and-politics/states-top-100...

[2] http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_24475260/california-students-s...

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Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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"...will offer rewards of as much as 1 million won ($905)..." "The maximum penalty for Uber’s alleged legal violation is a two-year prison sentence or a fine of as much as 20 million won..." So the fine would be at most ~$20,000. That seems low compared to 2 years in jail!

This kind of discrepancy seems more like a penalty for being poor _and_ breaking the law.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

#93
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Nothing about laissez-faire precludes insurance and bonding. If anything the very non-laissez-faire phenomenon of bankruptcy is what makes an insurance mandate necessary. Not that I'm against bankruptcy laws in general. I'm just pointing out that personal liability is hardly unregulated.

Replying to the other reply that exceeds the max depth one can reply directly to, to imply "human life" is somehow a magical infinitely valuable commodity is childishly naive. Human life is just an electrochemical reaction and like everything else in the universe has a quantifiable value. If you're going to vote me down please explain how I am wrong and how not being able to put a price on life is more than just sill…

Counter point: How much do I have to offer you to kill yourself?

The actual answer is I can't. Because your life has infinite value to you, because without which you may not acquire any other wealth. I.E.: Your life is worth all the wealthy you may obtain to yourself, or potentially all wealth in existence.

Therefore, what is the quantifiable value of something with inelastic demand? Economics tells us its infinite (or we have to divide by zero to calculate it). But you say otherwise.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Nothing about laissez-faire precludes insurance and bonding. If anything the very non-laissez-faire phenomenon of bankruptcy is what makes an insurance mandate necessary. Not that I'm against bankruptcy laws in general. I'm just pointing out that personal liability is hardly unregulated.

Replying to the other reply that exceeds the max depth one can reply directly to, to imply "human life" is somehow a magical infinitely valuable commodity is childishly naive. Human life is just an electrochemical reaction and like everything else in the universe has a quantifiable value. If you're going to vote me down please explain how I am wrong and how not being able to put a price on life is more than just sill…

How much can I pay you to give you a lobotomy and chop off your legs?

I find its easier to put a price on the abstract notion of the life of someone you don't know then your own.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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post #53

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I hope they unionize and demand higher wages. Higher costs for human drivers will increase the incentive for driver-less cars, right?

As a resident of New Jersey, please, no more unions.

Maybe I'm skewed - I'm from South Carolina - but I don't necessarily view unions as a monstrosity, surprisingly. I do hear the horror stories, but there must be some middle ground.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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> “Uber does not believe it is appropriate for authorities to seek to punish drivers who are trying to make a living through this service,” Uber said in today’s e-mail. Uber needs to slow down the spin. It might work in metros in the US, but it's not going to work in Seoul.

It works anywhere. Stupid state monopoly mafia trying to control how people are supposed to make money is scared. That's all there is to it. If I want to drive somebody and make money I don't need no licence. There's absolutely no justification for requiring a licence.

The FARC funded a big portion of their operations off of unregulated/poorly regulated taxi service. It's a lot easier to kidnap somebody when they willfully get in the car you intend to kidnap them in.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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your "progress of technology" is based off of the exploitation of the lower class. I'd much rather our resources be allocated in a way that doesn't force people to work 3 jobs.

If the lower classes are having to work three jobs, it's because of the scarcity of housing, not self-driving cars. Most poor people's biggest monthly expense is rent. An oversupply of housing would go a long way towards helping them. Of course, the landowning classes will never allow this. We haven't really moved on since the middle ages.

In the US at least: meanwhile, China overbuilds housing to the point where ghost cities (not just towns, cities) are scattered across the country.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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Like you, I always have a charged battery, a data connection, and the time to conduct research. I also have a PhD in chemistry, and I find this knowledge invaluable for assessing the potential for harm of all food additivies and environmental pollutants. I find this nicely complements my medical training, which of course helps me make the best decisions regarding my health, and my PhD in CS which keeps my data safe o…

Comparing taxi pricing to food safety is crass. Last I checked there weren't degress in taxi fair-ology.

My PhDs in Economics, Finance and Game Theory agree with you.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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As a resident of New Jersey, please, no more unions.

Maybe I'm skewed - I'm from South Carolina - but I don't necessarily view unions as a monstrosity, surprisingly. I do hear the horror stories, but there must be some middle ground.

There's definitely a middle ground. I have a couple friends who are in unions, and they're very pro-union. They don't claim they're perfect, just that it's sure better than not having one.

Re: Uber CEO Indicted in South Korea Over Its Taxi Service

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This leads to the big philosophical question that has been relevant for some time. If we have the choice, which society is preferrable: (1) Most services automated away, and those who don't have the skills or abilities to earn money are supported by taxing those who do (2) technological progress is actively hindered in order to ensure that everyone has the skills to hold a job that pays enough to live on, or (3) most…

I believe you are grouping "those who don't have the skills or abilities" as one unit. Seems like a very large container to be making decisions about. Let's exclude those who cannot learn enough to function in society. If anybody wants these people to starve, I haven't met them. Suppose you graduate from college with a degree in repairing fax machines. Fax machines are quickly disappearing. Should you: 1) Continue to…

4) Realize that repairing fax machines is pretty much your intellectual limit and now that fax machines are disappearing you don't have the mental capacity to learn how to fix self driving cars. You are now in the group "those who don't have the skills or abilities".

4) is what is actually happening now. The "bar" is constantly being raised.

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