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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by Crito »

_delirium wrote: post #116
Crito wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems that people living under regimes with limited freedom often fail to comprehend that people living in other countries might produce something without the explicit approval of their government. To the North Koreans, it is beyond comprehension that people living in the US made something, rather than the US government making it. To them, if Americans made it, that means America made it. This misunderstanding…

> the Norwegian Nobel Committee (which is a private organization which awards a private prize, despite having some members selected by Norwegian parliament) The Peace Prize is a bit closer to the Norwegian government than that. Alfred Nobel left that part of his will directly to the Norwegian Parliament, not to a private organization, and he tasked the Parliament with using the money to establish a peace prize. The P…

The current reality is that the Norwegian Nobel Committee is a private body, and it is not currently the role of Norwegian Parliament to dictate to it who they may or may not award prizes to.

Nobel may not have set it up that way personally, but that is how it is currently set up.

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Post by sondr3 »

_delirium wrote: post #116
Crito wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems that people living under regimes with limited freedom often fail to comprehend that people living in other countries might produce something without the explicit approval of their government. To the North Koreans, it is beyond comprehension that people living in the US made something, rather than the US government making it. To them, if Americans made it, that means America made it. This misunderstanding…

> the Norwegian Nobel Committee (which is a private organization which awards a private prize, despite having some members selected by Norwegian parliament) The Peace Prize is a bit closer to the Norwegian government than that. Alfred Nobel left that part of his will directly to the Norwegian Parliament, not to a private organization, and he tasked the Parliament with using the money to establish a peace prize. The P…

But the Norwegian government has absolutely nothing to do with who gets the prize, which is the whole point here. The fact that China gets angry at Norway et al because of a committee in Norway gave the peace prize to someone almost nobody in China knows about is a bit petty.

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Post by patronagezero »

autokad wrote: post #119
tedunangst wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the USG is Anonymous!

he's down voted but not too far off base. The US has already used hacker organizations to inadvertently act in the interests of the US government. Considering that the US almost certainly has moles in Anonymous, it wouldn't be hard to influence them to target Korea

You're over-complicating the issue, I think. Why not just do it themselves, then claim it was 'Anonymous'? No convincing required and no one to argue with.

The whole thing smells like just another move to convince the non-believers into thinking NK was responsible for the Sony hack.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by kolev »

How immature... if it was the US. So, North Korea (we still don't know for sure) caused hundreds of millions of dollars of loss to Sony Pictures and US caused how much damage to North Korea (which doesn't care much about the internet)?... Well, close to $0. How proportional is that?!

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by n09n »

darkstar999 wrote: post #113
SEJeff wrote: post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

That twitter account is banned. What's to stop me from creating an "Anonymous" account and acting like "them"?

What is it with old people and their complete inability to understand Anonymous? If you did that, you wouldn't be acting like "them", you would be part of Anonymous.

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Post by mikeho1999 »

kendallpark wrote: post #66
eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea. Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

Sorry, but I couldn't help. But please cue Vizzini from "The Princess Bride":

"I've hired you to help me start a war! That's a prestigious line of work with a long and glorious tradition."

=)

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Post by digi_owl »

jusben1369 wrote: post #92
vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

Well to be clear to the North Koreans this is 100% a propaganda movie.

Anything coming out of Hollywood that involve a nation or its leadership, is a propaganda movie in some way or other.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by unclebucknasty »

alexbecker wrote: post #125
unclebucknasty wrote: post #110

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> I think there is a lot going on and we don't know anything about it. You said it. You know, NK claims that the movie was USG propaganda. And, to the average American ear, that notion probably sounds completely nuts on its face. But, then, there's this that we learned just a couple of weeks ago: http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/11/why-usaid-got-into-bed-w... Not only do we not know everything that goes on, but it's…

> You said it. You know, NK claims that the movie was USG propaganda. And, to the average American ear, that notion probably sounds completely nuts on its face. As it should. There's no need for propaganda against the PDRK, they've done a pretty good job of making themselves look bad on their own.

>There's no need for propaganda against the PDRK, they've done a pretty good job of making themselves look bad on their own.

One would certainly think so.

Still, the notion that the USG would even consider involving itself in such a movie for propaganda purposes is about as ridiculous-sounding as infiltrating the Cuban rap scene to do the same.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by krapp »

duaneb wrote: post #83
digikata wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or this could be some kind of reverse false flag operation (a soccer flop?) to give NK a platform to escalate some other negotiation point...

Or it could be an actual false flag operation by the US to instigate something.... Something is very weird about their attitude towards north korea regarding this break in.

The US is not going to go to War with North Korea. So I don't know what they could 'instigate' that would be worth this much effort.
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