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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by woah » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:34 PM UTC

jusben1369 wrote: post #31

SEJeff wrote: post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

i don't know if they have the capabilities to wage a war on two fronts. They're getting ready to crush Iggy Azalea as best as I can tell.

Iggy Azalea has hired a crack team of cybermercenaries to take down NK. As communication between different groups calling themselves Anonymous can be quite poor, she hopes to create enough disarray and confusion among the script kiddies to divert and ultimately sublimate the energy and attention currently focused on her.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by jusben1369 » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:41 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

Well to be clear to the North Koreans this is 100% a propaganda movie.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by rdlecler1 » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:41 PM UTC

SEJeff wrote: post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

I read that Anonymous rejected the North Korea hypothesis:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sony-hacker...

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by oakwhiz » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:42 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #25

luftderfreiheit wrote: post #12

What fascinating times we live in. My interpretation of the general history of warfare is that countries agree on restraint once some situation has occurred that all sides agree should never happen again. Mustard gas in WWI, nuclear weapons in WWII... Hopefully this doesn't spiral out of control. It's not clear where the boundaries are that we don't want to cross.

I'd be pretty happy if governments all decided "cyberwarfare" was an acceptable substitute for the real thing. Nobody dies, some money is lost, some important people are embarrassed.

And the right to privacy of innocent noncombatants is compromised in the process. There will in fact be casualties in a cyber war, even if people are not killed or physically injured.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by eyeareque » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:42 PM UTC

Thaxll wrote: post #87

eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

You really think that NK has only a /22? Obviously they have some Chinese blocks routed to them.

Based on information here: http://nknetobserver.github.io/

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by bilbo0s » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:43 PM UTC

Thaxll wrote: post #87

eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

You really think that NK has only a /22? Obviously they have some Chinese blocks routed to them.

"...Obviously they have some Chinese blocks routed to them..."

Well not to put too fine a point on it... but if you are reliant on the Chinese... that's the same thing as not having blocks.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by jqm » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:46 PM UTC

nether wrote: post #79

McGlockenshire wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, has it been 100% confirmed that NK is behind all of this? There is no actual released evidence, only statements from government agencies. The information that has been released says that some of the attacks did originate from servers hosted by NK IP space. That's it. NK itself says that they didn't do it, and that doesn't match their previous threatening behavior.

Al Qaeda also initially denied responsibility for 9/11. It doesn't really mean anything.

Good point. And to the same point, neither do accusations anymore....

I think there is a lot going on and we don't know anything about it. I'm not sure if this for national security reasons or because we would be outraged beyond belief....

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by Bud » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:50 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #25

luftderfreiheit wrote: post #12

What fascinating times we live in. My interpretation of the general history of warfare is that countries agree on restraint once some situation has occurred that all sides agree should never happen again. Mustard gas in WWI, nuclear weapons in WWII... Hopefully this doesn't spiral out of control. It's not clear where the boundaries are that we don't want to cross.

I'd be pretty happy if governments all decided "cyberwarfare" was an acceptable substitute for the real thing. Nobody dies, some money is lost, some important people are embarrassed.

"Nobody dies" is likely false. Think about first responders. Think about medical systems in hospitals. Think about all the second-order and third-order side effects if the Internet goes down in an industrialized country in 2014 for longer than, say, a few hours.

People would definitely die.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by sliverstorm » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:50 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

A comedy movie did not cause this, a comedy movie triggered it. It has been brewing for years.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 22, 2014, 9:50 PM UTC

vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

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