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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Of course, NK won't be pissed at all and they're not going to retaliate at all (yeah I know it's probably the goal of this attack). This might be the first steps of the first cyber world war for all I know. The only good thing is that only the elite will be affected by the collapse of NK Internet (no porn for a while). The average citizen probably can't even grasp what the net is, and none of her life is linked to it…

Willing to bet they have their porn safely saved on their external hard drives. No internet required for that.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

I hope so too, and I doubt the US government's response will be cyber-warfare related. There's not much they can do in the first place, and it would be a petty tit-for-tat reprimand.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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What fascinating times we live in. My interpretation of the general history of warfare is that countries agree on restraint once some situation has occurred that all sides agree should never happen again. Mustard gas in WWI, nuclear weapons in WWII... Hopefully this doesn't spiral out of control. It's not clear where the boundaries are that we don't want to cross.

I'd be pretty happy if governments all decided "cyberwarfare" was an acceptable substitute for the real thing. Nobody dies, some money is lost, some important people are embarrassed.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

Maybe the USG is Anonymous!

Nah, it's a double false flag by the hacker 4chan.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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What fascinating times we live in. My interpretation of the general history of warfare is that countries agree on restraint once some situation has occurred that all sides agree should never happen again. Mustard gas in WWI, nuclear weapons in WWII... Hopefully this doesn't spiral out of control. It's not clear where the boundaries are that we don't want to cross.

Well, right now, we're in a place where The Internet really only facilitates greater efficiency in telecommunications, and does so in such a way that can be distributed and encapsulated across many independent partitions.

In other words, whatever we would be capable of accomplishing with pen and ink on paper, and carrier pigeons, or smoke signals; that's what the internet does, but at nearly the speed of light, for volumes of data beyond anything worth attempting as a physical implementation.

In that sense, the only thing that denial of service really accomplishes for a hermit state like North Korea (which presumably attempts to censor the external internet for it's non-elite commoners already), is such that they lose face on "the world stage" where they receive no respect anyway.

The boundaries where things start to get ugly, in a new and truly modern sense, would be circumstances where autonomous weapons platforms run rampant, and inflict wide-spread death and destruction in various theaters of conflict at scales of their own choosing. I don't think that's a reality yet, at least not without a nuclear exchange. Drones, for the most part, are still essentially remote-controlled vehicles, operated by humans, particularly with respect to the decision to use force.

A scaled back version of that, which we might see emerge, before autonomous robots are used to crush a nation like it were a load of dirty laundry (or rather, before robots start to decide for themselves, which nations, or regions to crush), is infrastructure attacks that cripple things like electric and water services for extended periods, triggering cascades of famine and disease. For that to occur, a country would have to foolishly place all of its eggs in one basket, and lay prone to catastrophic failure without proper redundancies in place.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Of course, NK won't be pissed at all and they're not going to retaliate at all (yeah I know it's probably the goal of this attack). This might be the first steps of the first cyber world war for all I know. The only good thing is that only the elite will be affected by the collapse of NK Internet (no porn for a while). The average citizen probably can't even grasp what the net is, and none of her life is linked to it…

Willing to bet they have their porn safely saved on their external hard drives. No internet required for that.

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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post #19

Do people seriously think the USG is behind a ddos when Anonymous has already stated they are going to go after the DRPK? http://www.inquisitr.com/1691688/anonymous-announces-vengean...

Of course some people do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8766609 - someone always does.
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