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The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "pseudo-artistic details like "immediately noticed a tense quality in the ambulance driver’s voice"" You mean storytelling?

I can sympathize with OP, sometime we just want the info without pictures of the Beatles.

Seriously, I'm considering writing an HN filtering proxy that ignores these kinds of magazine pieces. I just don't have time to read them properly, even if they are interesting enough that I inevitably get drawn into some of them. That's just another factor in HN becoming a time-sink instead of a productive source of useful news. I suspect if we had the ability to downvote submissions as well as upvote, less of them would hit the front page in the first place, but I can't be certain.

As for this article, the writing is OK, but I honestly wonder sometimes if these authors are being paid by the word. Take the first paragraph for instance. Replace it entirely with, "It was a dark and stormy night". Did that make the article better, worse, or no different?

Had the same information been conveyed in far fewer words, I wouldn't have had to skim over parts and would have got a lot more out of it. There's definitely a place for articles like this, but I don't think HN is that place.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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The Government in New Zealand had an interesting response to this sort of thing. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23703-new-zealand-law-... Seems like it might be the most effective idea, since, if there are legalized drugs, the majority of the drug oriented population is likely to stick to the safe, approved drugs, and, those who are inclined to push limits can easily go into research without fear of persecutio…

Unfortunately things didn't work out so well due to later regulations. A summary here:

http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/the-twilight-state-of-the-...

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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This article fits in with another thread here earlier today where I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering al…

I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I can see your line of thinking: X has risks, X should not be done, thus make X illegal and X will not be done and the risk will no longer exist. But that's not the way the world works. Making X illegal does not prevent X being d…

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Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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This article fits in with another thread here earlier today where I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering al…

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Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

Yeah, it looks like the entire legislative approach is wrong and doing more harm than good. It'd be nice to see more focus on education and building up knowledge. Perhaps even a well designed website (including first-class mobile support) that we could link drug users to that describe the effects in an easy to search and digest format. If people want to do stupid things to themselves, let them.

We've found that legalizing marijuana has so far been helpful. I just hope it's not the last step.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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And these shenanigans, too, would be entirely unnecessary if known drugs were legal and regulated, and people could take controlled risks instead of playing Russian roulette with newly synthesized drugs.

There is a minority that are interested in novelty for its own ends. But you're right, most people that buy these things would be safer and happier with well-known, illegal drugs.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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This article fits in with another thread here earlier today where I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering al…

The problem is, that the same cultural stupidity that sees us pass new laws banning the newest designer drugs, is also the one that sees us banning relatively harmless and well-understood substances that have been used by humans for tens of thousands of years. And, I don't think it's possible to rhetorically separate the two in a way the public can digest.

That is not to say you can't draw a logical distinction between the two that supports banning or strictly regulating the production and sale of one, while leaving the other alone - in fact I would say you've got a good start on doing that already. However, the distinction is subtle, and will be totally lost on a population that has had anti-drug propaganda shoved down its throat by the state for the last four or five generations. Any nuance in your argument will be seized on by drug warriors to justify banning the sale of e.g. marijuana or peyote, etc., and bring offenders into to the ever-growing all-consuming all-powerful prison complex.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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This article fits in with another thread here earlier today where I commented about using any drug entails some finite risk of bad effects. The apparently common belief that "designer drugs" shouldn't be "illegal" is certainly not supported by the article. I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering al…

'Designer' drugs are produced in well-equipped modern labs, for the most part in China. Most of them are more complex to synthesise than illegal drugs and aren't coming out of some kitchen chem lab, but a well equipped industrial setup. In their country of origin the business seems legal so they come under no scrutiny.

Re: The drug revolution that no one can stop

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MXE wasn't designed at random; it was the chosen winner of a long series of tested compounds made by a chemist who had no other way to treat his phantom limb pain. We have a huge thread at bluelight of people's ideas for chemicals that might get you high, but the first thing you'll notice is that basically all of those ideas are infeasible: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/582708-I-like-to-draw-pi... The degree of…

Interesting interview with the synthesizer of MXE here:

http://www.vice.com/read/interview-with-ketamine-chemist-704...

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