Interesting that this article, originally investigated and published over a year ago, mentions phenmetrazine - derivatives have just started to appear on the grey market.... --edit-- I'm amazed at the quote from Caldicott at the end. WEDINOS is widely used by the NPS community to check the identity of their substances. It allows the project to map out drug emergence and for the users it provides a little safety check…
The drug revolution that no one can stop
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#22Oh, I really hate these articles. Intriguing headline and then a horribly long story with all these pseudo-artistic details like "immediately noticed a tense quality in the ambulance driver’s voice" wich is just too bothersome to actually read it. Some TLDR, anyone?
>> "pseudo-artistic details like "immediately noticed a tense quality in the ambulance driver’s voice"" You mean storytelling?
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#23http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/582708-I-like-to-draw-pi...
The degree of effort to which people will go to satisfy their curiosity is sort of astounding. There seems to be an endless array of possibilities. The thing is, people who have some understanding are always trying to direct attention to structures that won't cause grievous physical harm, stuff we understand, and so it is usually these that get popular -- there's a reason that synthetic cannabinoids have fluoropentyl chains on the indole nitrogen instead of fluorobutyl chains, and it's because the latter will tear your mitochondria to shreds (fluoroacetate). Unfortunately, as more stuff gets banned, we stray further and further from the beaten path -- methylone was pretty similar to MDMA, but we know a lot less about 6-APB, and whatever comes next will probably be even stranger. Every now and then the predictions fail and something nasty like 5-API shows up on the market and people die, and we don't know what to do about that because there will always be effects we can't predict. Even as we do our best to recommend the things we think are safer, we inevitably shuttle those off the pipeline into prohibition and rush forth to the next scary-looking arylalkylamine.
It's a mess. Most people in the harm reduction community want legalization, but none of us wants this. We actually have plenty of drugs that have a history of use and no reported deaths (mephedrone, 2C-B), but of course those got banned, anything that becomes popular gets banned, even if it appears to be safe (Al-LAD on the chopping block) and we go back into the dark again, waiting for the tide of profiteering to carve a new vista out of the world's insatiable demand for something more entertaining than football.
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#24This
I often get spams from these businesses selling "legal highs" or something like that.And of course you wouldnt even know what you'd be buying... they always have fancy names like "koyotte""mdmazing" or "Dragon kiss" ...
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#25Custom drugs are all rage in Russia. Chinese plants make synthetic cannabioids with varying formulas which then happen to be not made illegal yet. Those are moved into country, mixed with all kinds of chemical shit and sold as "курительные смеси" - mixes for smoking. This fall dozens of people died from these nasty chemicals, usually in packs in one city or another. There was a law passed which makes all that stuff i…
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#26I've never found any interest in taking anything stronger than an occasional beer but as a former chemist I find the research into these types of drugs fascinating. We really do need to look into areas that might be highly illegal if for no reason other than to learn how the brain works.
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#27Does anyone find it slightly ironic that opium used to be smuggled into China by Britain earlier...and even fought wars to keep that trade open. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
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#28I'm not sure what makes it so hard for some people to grasp the intrinsic dangers of ingesting "designer" drugs. Our physiology is complex and quirky, rendering all drugs capable of unpredictably causing serious side effects. And even if that's a rare event, in the case of barely (or not at all) studied compounds, it's still like playing pistol roulette with live rounds.
There's risk for the chemist too. While we might admire the skill to design and synthesize a novel compound, it's foolish to do so outside of a fully equipped and qualified lab to assure safety for the chemist as well as the environment. Of course, working in such a lab would no doubt imply a level of scrutiny about what the chemist is trying to do.
So obviously a designer drug is likely to be produced in conditions that don't favor purity and careful testing. It's no wonder there are tragic outcomes, but it seems human nature to try to do something "against the rules". But it's an entirely different matter when rules are the "laws" of legislatures vs. the laws of Mother Nature. She never cares what we "believe" or desire.
Designer drugs will continue to be a problem. The best we can hope for is that bad outcomes will yield here and there a clue to something useful. It's a shame, seems so often we have to learn the hard way.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Check out the history of LSD. It almost wasn't invented. They tested it on animals, and noticed "some level of disturbance" or some such, but nobody had any clue what the effects were, and nobody really cared. Then someone decided to try it on themselves. The only reason that was able to happen is because the legal and ethical restrictions were looser than they are today. In the meantime, several other such experimen…
AFAIK, Hoffman didn't really "decide to try it on himself", but accidentally got some dose through his skin because of working without gloves and felt that something is not right . I don't remember where I got that — I guess it was his autobiography or something.