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Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by gumby »

calibraxis wrote: post #86
schimmy_changa wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure why this is being downvoted... People are asking above "What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice?". One prong of this prejudice is the structure of our justice system, and participating in these marches can help that.

It's downvoted because it's currently the most serious and rational post on actually solving oppression. Rather than musing abstractly about some dead white scientist talking about blacks. (While taking a break from making money for investors/bosses.) Speaking of prominent white activist intellectuals, here's Chomsky's view on Einstein: "Compare Russell and Einstein, two leading figures, roughly the same generation.…

> "Russell was and is reviled and condemned"

Well, by the John Birchers and the like, but he also won the Nobel (in literature, of all things) and was quite influential among people who would not have understood the Principia Mathematica. I think Chomsky is way off base here.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by seekingtruth »

revscat wrote: post #16
lpsz wrote: post #3

What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice? More diversity (in neighborhoods, in workplaces, in schools) would certainly help -- the transition from "us" and "them" to a unified "us." And yet, it's disappointing how segregated America still is today. One fairly in-depth study [1] offers an example of how "today" came to be. (This report is not about any current events, but rathe…

I believe a greater benefit would occur were we to have more mixed race couples, and with it the offspring that would tend to be produced by those relationships.

So, literally genocide.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by peterfirefly »

smtddr wrote: post #110
cityboy0 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT... Plus page 41 and 44 of this PDF: http://nyulawreview.org/sites/default/files/pdf/NYULawReview... Plus the first few sentences here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#United_S... As well as many more. By the way guys, downvoting and flagkilling comments to silence opinions (that are backed up by facts and statistics) that hurt your feeli…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism http://www.quora.com/What-scientific-evidence-is-there-to-di... http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrintro.htm http://science-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/08/11/122229/genet...

I took a brief look at your second link and found this:

"There's no sensible reason to expect that, because all humans faced nearly identical selective pressures until the invention of agriculture 10,000 years ago, and there hasn't been enough time for much evolution since."

The first part is very, very, very likely wrong, the second part is completely known to be wrong.

He also starts out by committing Lewontin's Fallacy.

In a comment he shows himself to be a Lamarckian:

"Oh, the Ashkenazi intelligence thing. Good childrearing! Generations of educating kids well, because of putting a very high value on education, both because of religious requirements and because of the economic niche they got slotted into by European nobility. If there are a set of alleles Ashkenazim have that the rest of humanity doesn't that are plausibly linked to intelligence, I've never heard of them."

"Anonymous" also has an answer (1 May 2013) that is much better.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by smsm42 »

schimmy_changa wrote: post #75
schimmy_changa wrote: post #49

If this moves you, follow Einstein's logic to today's world and join in the struggle. There are marches today, consider this your invitation! SF: https://www.facebook.com/events/675598982556580/ Oakland: https://www.facebook.com/events/858052834217501/ NYC: https://www.facebook.com/events/959630214065046/ Boston: https://www.facebook.com/events/1559794327598726/ (and I'm sure there's one near where you live as well)

I am not sure why this is being downvoted... People are asking above "What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice?". One prong of this prejudice is the structure of our justice system, and participating in these marches can help that.

I share deep concern about police militarization and police brutality. These problems have been raised for years, particularly in the context of War on Drugs, but also in larger context of alienation of population from the government, and were largely ignored by the wide public, happy to be "tough on crime" and laughing at those libertarian idiots with their obviously exaggerated concerns. It is good thing that the topic finally starts to enter the public conscience and that people start to realize there should be strict limits to government power in general and the police power as the most frequently encountered one in particular. I share the sentiment expressed here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6557 about the deep problems that exist and I think it's good people start to realize these problems exist. I think also here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/03/framing-for-light-inste... it outlines some of the problems people need to be aware of when looking for solutions.

But when I read recent reports about arson, looting, windows smashed, trash cans overturned and lit on fire, businesses destroyed, police officers assaulted with rocks, explosives and firebombs, millions of damages caused, when I read about "burn that bitch down" - I think maybe this particular instance is not what I want to be part of at all. Maybe associating with this wouldn't do as much to combat either public perception of police needing to be tough or any particular prejudices.

And then I read something like this: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/10/a-college-president-had-to... and this https://twitter.com/onekade/status/543202210516303872/photo/... and honestly, I don't know what to think.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by seekingtruth »

lpsz wrote: post #3

What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice? More diversity (in neighborhoods, in workplaces, in schools) would certainly help -- the transition from "us" and "them" to a unified "us." And yet, it's disappointing how segregated America still is today. One fairly in-depth study [1] offers an example of how "today" came to be. (This report is not about any current events, but rathe…

Show me a place on Earth where decreasing the ethnic/cultural homogeneity has improved community cohesion and rapport.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by to3m »

seekingtruth wrote: post #162
revscat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe a greater benefit would occur were we to have more mixed race couples, and with it the offspring that would tend to be produced by those relationships.

So, literally genocide.

No, not really.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by lotsofmangos »

fsloth wrote: post #142
wutangson1 wrote: post #112

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Yes, Plato is the author of the Dialogues of Socrates. My bad if my last sentence was written unclearly to seems as if Aristotle was a student of Socrates. Yet, I suggest going back to that same link you posted and read all of Book II of the Nicomachean Ethics where Aristotle defines courage and what is the only real justification for war. After reading Book II, by the time you get to Book VII, you may not think Aris…

As an example of Aristotle being quite useless: When I need to figure out mechanics I'd rather use Newton's mechanics than Aristotle's.

He's quite good for platform games.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by eropple »

eropple wrote: post #33
kingmanaz wrote: post #32

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Or maybe self-righteous Zionists like Einstein could try diversifying their own promised land before proscribing said diversity to others? As it stands, today Palestinian's are in camps, today Ethiopian Jews are deported, and all the while the past sins of the gentiles are ever decried on the airwaves.

I assume, before you posted this angry message, that you refreshed yourself on the differences between Labor Zionism and the right wing flavor in power in the state of Israel? And took into account that this was written in 1946? No? Okay then.

The poster of the dead comment that is a sibling to this one is totally invited to tell me how I committed a no-true-Scotsman fallacy.

While he's at it, though, I really hope he's going to explain how I'm wrong, and not just blow his whistle, scream about fallacies, and say it's a five yard penalty, still second down.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by EpicEng »

oso2k wrote: post #153
n72 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"some dead white scientist" You do realize Einstein was a Jew who was forced to leave Germany because of Nazism, right?

Judaism has and always will be a religion and not an ethnicity or race.

Please describe the difference between racial and religious discrimination. In practice, how does it differ? It's all the same; some group doesn't like you because of who and what you are.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by ctlaltdefeat »

blazespin wrote: post #5

I was always impressed by his stand against zionism. http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/old/einstein.htm

What? He was a Zionist according to the classical "definition" and principles of the time. The varying uses of the word "Zionist" are confusing, yet nonetheless Einstein supported self-determination of the Jews in Mandatory Palestine.
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