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Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by dragonwriter »

itjustdontwork wrote: post #55
moron4hire wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, once communities start out segregated, they stay segregated.

Unfortunately Why is it unfortunate? No white person in their right mind would honestly prefer to live in a half-black community over an all-white community. Sure, they may say they would to save political face, or to look benevolent or "tolerant" and progressive, but deep down? No. The difference in crime rates and quality of life is just astounding. To prefer to live amongst more blacks is to prefer to be more at r…

> No white person in their right mind would honestly prefer to live in a half-black community over an all-white community.

I think the problem here is that you confusing "who shares my personal preferences" with "in the right mind". The two concepts are radically different.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by fsloth »

wutangson1 wrote: post #112
lotsofmangos wrote: post #52

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Plato wrote Meno and Aristotle presented a very clear belief system on slavery in Book I, Chapters 3 through 7 of The Politics and in Book 7 of the Nicomachean Ethics. "But is there any one thus intended by nature to be a slave, and for whom such a condition is expedient and right, or rather is not all slavery a violation of nature?" "There is no difficulty in answering this question, on grounds both of reason and of…

Yes, Plato is the author of the Dialogues of Socrates. My bad if my last sentence was written unclearly to seems as if Aristotle was a student of Socrates. Yet, I suggest going back to that same link you posted and read all of Book II of the Nicomachean Ethics where Aristotle defines courage and what is the only real justification for war. After reading Book II, by the time you get to Book VII, you may not think Aris…

As an example of Aristotle being quite useless: When I need to figure out mechanics I'd rather use Newton's mechanics than Aristotle's.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by dreamdu5t »

calibraxis wrote: post #86
schimmy_changa wrote: post #75

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I am not sure why this is being downvoted... People are asking above "What, however, can the man of good will do to combat this deeply rooted prejudice?". One prong of this prejudice is the structure of our justice system, and participating in these marches can help that.

It's downvoted because it's currently the most serious and rational post on actually solving oppression. Rather than musing abstractly about some dead white scientist talking about blacks. (While taking a break from making money for investors/bosses.) Speaking of prominent white activist intellectuals, here's Chomsky's view on Einstein: "Compare Russell and Einstein, two leading figures, roughly the same generation.…

Chomsky is a hypocritical weasel.

Einstein isn't admired because he chose a life of research... he's admired because of his research. Russel is also incredibly admired, then and now.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by coldtea »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #73
moron4hire wrote: post #59

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I think you need to take a look at crime statistics again. They're income-based, not race-based. In the United States, poor often also means minority, but it's not race that makes inner cities violent. It's destitution, and the desperation it causes.

I'm not remotely defending his thesis (and my life choices contradict his claims pretty well) but you are simply wrong about the crime stats. To choose one category of crime, blacks make up about half of of murderers. However, there are twice as many poor whites as there are poor blacks. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/c... http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceeth... htt…

>To choose one category of crime, blacks make up about half of of murderers. However, there are twice as many poor whites as there are poor blacks.

Those whites don't have the same heritage of poverty, bad education and racism against them though. Nor are over-represented by a huge margin in incarceration rates.

>Further, international comparisons suggest you are wrong about American-style "destitution" causing crime. I know many professionals (I live in India) who are far more "destitute" than any poor American (at least in terms of goods and services they can afford). Strangely they don't turn to crime at anywhere near the rates Americans (of any race) do.

"American style" is not just about being poor / destitute and not being able to afford things.

It's about the particular flavor of being that, in the context of the general societies attitude, prevalent climate, ways to deal with it, etc. So people in India being "far more destitute" doesn't mean they share the "American-style "destitution"".

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by hobs »

conistonwater wrote: post #131
Dove wrote: post #84

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Yeah, I think it has more to do with how you're taught to think about people than what you're exposed to. I grew up in Spokane, WA -- 87% white by demographic survey, 98% people who look white if all you know about race is what you learned in Social Studies in elementary school. :) But what I was dominantly taught about who 'my people' were came from Christianity -- Christ died for everyone. My tribe is humanity. I w…

Your quote is really ambiguous, I can't figure it out at all. Is there something wrong with Seattle black people? Surely not, but then just what exactly does that mean?

He means that the difference between white and black in america is magnified in comparison to the uk.

Whether you think it is true or not, I see the USA as much more segregated than Europe, and so the culture differences are exacerbated between the races.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by dragonwriter »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #73
moron4hire wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to take a look at crime statistics again. They're income-based, not race-based. In the United States, poor often also means minority, but it's not race that makes inner cities violent. It's destitution, and the desperation it causes.

I'm not remotely defending his thesis (and my life choices contradict his claims pretty well) but you are simply wrong about the crime stats. To choose one category of crime, blacks make up about half of of murderers. However, there are twice as many poor whites as there are poor blacks. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/c... http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceeth... htt…

> To choose one category of crime, blacks make up about half of of murderers.

They may make up half of all people convicted of murder, but then its been widely observed across many different categories of crime that, on similar fact patterns, blacks are more likely to be charged with a crime and are likely to be charged with a more serious crime than whites.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by lotsofmangos »

wutangson1 wrote: post #132
lotsofmangos wrote: post #120

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The real man/woman of science is obviously the hermaphroditic god-head at the center of creation. Any fool knows that.

hackneyed

Well, I don't care if it is the same tired old response that everyone gives. It is always good to spread the word about the godhead and its holy genitalia, which in both quantity and variety are innumerable in even the largest of Cantor's series of infinite sets.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by queensnake »

Such self-fondling pabulum around here. If Aristotle can be wrong, so can Einstein. See: IQ data.

I bet at least the number of people who posted want to say the same thing, but have refrained from posting. I bet frikkin' Paul Graham thinks the same thing (maybe gentler) - he's alluded to 'inexpressible ideas about race' (paraphrase) in one essay.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by JetSpiegel »

conistonwater wrote: post #131
Dove wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I think it has more to do with how you're taught to think about people than what you're exposed to. I grew up in Spokane, WA -- 87% white by demographic survey, 98% people who look white if all you know about race is what you learned in Social Studies in elementary school. :) But what I was dominantly taught about who 'my people' were came from Christianity -- Christ died for everyone. My tribe is humanity. I w…

Your quote is really ambiguous, I can't figure it out at all. Is there something wrong with Seattle black people? Surely not, but then just what exactly does that mean?

I would imagine they are treated differently by society at large.

Re: Einstein: The Negro Question (1946)

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Post by JetSpiegel »

anomalous wrote: post #128
revscat wrote: post #16

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I believe a greater benefit would occur were we to have more mixed race couples, and with it the offspring that would tend to be produced by those relationships.

Although, this sort of integration was encouraged and took place in Brazil and the mixed-race Brazilian offspring of today still seemingly and disproportionately prefer to be categorized as 'white' based on year-to-year census results.

Stopping putting the race questions in the census would certainly help.

Who cares about that? Just having that question is an implicit assumption that race matters.

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